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06-18-2008, 11:37 AM
chrish284

Greg, Please, there is zero wrong with your pic, it was the "door" that it opened. You see, because you went there, someone will follow and one up it.That's why I said, BIG picture, not your little picture. It's not hard to conceive either, as you know the primate jackin' his unit was about topost at any minute. (see). I love animal nudity, just like you, but others may see it differently. Think of the bigger picture please. And mucho gracias..... Regards, C
06-18-2008, 11:43 AM
99octane

Okee dokee Chris, I actually have to say that your response was kinder than I expected, and I also have to say I agreed fully with you earlier post, the one right before you told me to remove the photo. I understand. No more opening doors. <img src="http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif"> Thanks for the clarification, I just hate being censored, so I bounced up ready to sling hash with ya. Thanks for explaining yourself Chris.-Greg
06-18-2008, 11:45 AM
beauzoe

Doc & Johnny, I'm off to get a Cheeseburger! C
06-18-2008, 01:58 PM
groggerbug

Dan, I've got something to say to you here, and I'm going to say it in 'public' just because you've been so central in this discussion... I've hung out with you quite a few times, and I know you to be a fun-loving, good guy who loves to laugh and joke, and is very easy to like and get alongwith. I certainly always look forward to seeing you at any of the local gatherings, and all your cool purp's! So I was very surprised at your remarks about gays.... and I'm curious where all that homocentric (thinking that being heterosexual is 'right' andanything else is 'wrong') and homophobic (fear of homosexuals) sentiment comes from? You said (something like) that you don't want to get rid of homosexuals, just want to get rid of the homosexual in them. That's actually very profound,in a way... On the one hand I'm encouraged to know that you're not simply hating the individual because they are gay; on the other hand, I think thatsentiment is spoken out of simply not knowing much about homosexuality. And I think your fear of homosexuality has prevented you from learning anything aboutit. It's been said already, but I want to reiterate here - homosexuality is NOT behavioral, it is inate. I'm not gay, so I can't say so from personalexperience, but I've known many, many homosexual folks, and I know it to be true. I lived with a gay couple for almost 1-1/2 years, and it was one of the really fabulous experiences in my life. Most importantly for me, I learned that thereis no reason to "fear" homosexuals, or homosexuality. If you are secure in your sexuality, there is nothing to fear. So I hope you can believe me when I say that the "homosexuality in people can't be taken out of them" and in that I'm hoping to appeal toyour loving nature, which I know is there... I see it in every other aspect of you... I wrote all this because I know you and like you, and because it sounds like you've opened the door to wanting to know more about it... and I sincerelyhope that you will. Others here have shown their willingness to go there with you; take us up on it! Because I can tell you from personal experience, as a guy who in his life has hated just about anything that wasn't just like me.... I have learned the wayof acceptance, and I can tell you that life is much sweeter when you can feel love, rather than againstness. Your friend, Greg(bug)
06-18-2008, 02:25 PM
JEBlade

Rob Halford & Elton John rule. John
06-18-2008, 02:51 PM
99octane

Freddie Mercury too!
06-18-2008, 03:05 PM
JEBlade

<blockquote> 99octane wrote: <hr> Freddie Mercury too!</blockquote> Not anymore. <img src="http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif"> John
06-18-2008, 03:13 PM
GrampaMike46

Hello everybodeeee. Wow. Things certainly did get touchy and off topic here. Scott's original post seemed simply to be a rant against the courts going against the voters sothat is the topic I'm going to address. When each and every state joined the union, they agreed to abide by the US Constitution. California joined in 1850. Now, 158 years later, 61% of Californiansdecide they want to pass a law that that does not abide by that constitution and the courts turned them down saying "ah ah ah, you can't do that. Youtried to pull a fast one. That's unconstitutional". So, where's the problem Scott? (I know you're away from your desk but maybe you'll catch up when you get back.) If 61% of Californians tried topass a law saying it was ok to own slaves would you also rant when the courts overturned that? Or if 61% of Californians tried to pass a law saying womencan't vote would you rant when the courts overturned it? Here's an idea... 61% of Californians could vote to secede from the union then they would notbe obligated to follow the US constitution anymore and could pass any law imaginable. If you don't approve of everyone having the same rights maybe youought to work on that. Or if the California constitution is too restrictive for you maybe you could get 61% of the people in your county to vote to secede fromthe state! Then you might have a reasonable chance of realizing your dream - King Scott! (Not to be confused with Coretta Scott King.) Now for the off-topic topics. --------------- WTF? Why do so many people keep insisting on trying to run other peoples lives????? 61% don't want gays to marry????? Mind your own business! Live and letlive! Do unto others as you would have them do unto you! If some people want to voice their negative opinions of certain minorities, fine. I don't care if you say you don't like gays, blacks, Arabs, Persians(Iran), Asians etc. Say what you want. Say what you feel. If you're any kind of a bigot, fine. You have that right. Just stop trying to run their lives (orending their lives). ALL people have the right to run their own lives. --------------- <blockquote> Hitler had an opinion based on morals? Are you serious?</blockquote>"I am acting as the agent of ourCreator. By fighting off the Jews, I am doing the Lord's work." ~ Adolf Hitler"Secular schools can never be toleratedbecause such a school has no religious instruction and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all charactertraining and religion must be derived from faith.... We need believing people." ~ Adolf Hitler"I would like to thank Providence and the Almighty for choosing me of all people to be allowed to wage this battle forGermany." ~ Adolf HitlerHitler believed he was doing his Christian duty by stopping Jews from trying to takeover Germany. He simply failed to recognize the difference between Religious Zionism and Political Zionism and tried to remove or imprison all Jews instead ofthe few who actually were causing problems. And <a title="84.6%" target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler#Removal_of_remaining_limits">84.6%</a> of the electorate agreed with him. Way more than 61%.Just like some of you believe you are doing your "Christian" duty by stopping all gaysfrom marrying. Where does history tell us it goes from there? You say it can't happen here? Look at yourselves. It already is happening. ---------------Cheesburger? Mmmmmmm. BARBECUED cheeseburger.---------------Gramps
06-18-2008, 03:37 PM
camarocrazy2

Just a few thoughts as a lot has crossed through my mind as I have gone back and reread much of what I have typed. Some of what I have said has been taken out of context and other things I have said were expressed in anger and due to said anger may have come out wrong orshould not have been said. I have learned something from this as I wished to. but before I express what I think I have learned a few words about me and what I know about gay first hand. I worked in retail my whole life, in a Drug Store. In the early 1990's there was a young adult man that was gay he was about 19 or twenty. He likedworking in the cosmetic department and did a fine job. I did not like gay people then but I did not let anyone know as I was a asst manager for the store so Ihad to work with all kinds of people. I did not mistreat him or do anything other to him then what I would do to anyone else he did what he did and so did I. I don't want to see anyone get hurt or mistreated due to them being gay just as I don't want to see anyone get hurt just because they like a Bostonbasketball team... I have been to gay bars as I had Friends in punk rock bands and they would play where ever they could and I would go where ever they played I did not like togo to these bars as I am not gay so I don't really need gay guys asking me out. I don't run around town with a shirt on that says I don't like gay people for the most part I don't see them and they don't bother me. I haveseen a few come in and shop and my stores when I had a job but they were happy together and did not ask me to join in holding hands or anything just as thenice strait couple do not ether.. I can see most of you don't car if people are gay and I can see why worry about it, it's not making your life any different. Have you ever had a gay man or woman ask you out a giggle about how cute you are, would you like that if a gay man found you hot and wanted to be with you. I had a girlfriend that liked to go both ways she had a girl Friend when I was dating her I was seventeen she was eighteen.....nice.... Anyway I'm going to make this my last post on the thread as I have said all I can and learned some. 1. You can't change someone who is gay just because you don't like it. 2. You can't change someone who don't like gay, just stay away from me please. 3. not all gay people were born gay. 4. no one will mind having a gay couple living next to them until one of them try something with you. 5. just for the record I'm am not a religious person, I don't go to church, I don't follow any religious belief of any kind but just the samedon't come knocking on my door, I will find it if I need it. Greg, I hope you don't dislike me because I don't care for gay people or to see them get married, I just don't like the whole Idea of twopeople of the same sex embracing each other in that way. it's just the way I am and like I said, I would not go around letting everyone know how I fillnormally but I have here today. I'm not going to have a non-gay parade or anything like that just as gays don't need to have a gay parade. So that is it I'm going to bow out, I'm not really that good at this going back forth stuff and all the quotes and so on so I will leave it to thesmarter here and a good thing to cuz I was called stupid and other things and it hurt my feeling.
06-18-2008, 04:08 PM
jamwood1

<blockquote> GrampaMike46 wrote: <hr> <blockquote> Hitler had an opinion based on morals? Are you serious? </blockquote> "I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews, I am doing the Lord's work." ~ Adolf Hitler "Secular schools can never be tolerated because such a school has no religious instruction and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith.... We need believing people." ~ Adolf Hitler "I would like to thank Providence and the Almighty for choosing me of all people to be allowed to wage this battle for Germany." ~ Adolf Hitler Hitler believed he was doing his Christian duty by stopping Jews from trying to take over Germany. He simply failed to recognize the difference between Religious Zionism and Political Zionism and tried to remove or imprison all Jews instead of the few who actually were causing problems. And <a title="84.6%" target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler#Removal_of_remaining_limits">84.6%</a> of the electorate agreed with him. Way more than 61%.</blockquote> First of all, I was talking about morality, not religion. Second, all of the quotes Hitler made were all part of his propaganda-and it worked. You cannothonestly believe that Hitler thought he was doing his Christian duty by killing millions of Jews. He said what he had to so the people would be on hisside-and it worked. Saddam was known to be a secular leader, but whenever he needed to rally his people, he wold claim that it was Allah's will and Allahwas behind him and so on. We all know what a load of crap that was. I am not a religious person, but I have a sense of morality. The two can in fact be separate, since it is just your idea of right and wrong and has nothing todo with religion. The original point I was trying to make is if you are going to argue that we should be tolerant of others and their lifestyles and opinions, then that shouldmean everyone, not just people you agree with. Saying how tolerant you are one minute, and then calling someone you disagree with closed minded the next is abit ridiculous. I am very center, neither right or left, and actually am very tolerant of everyone. Does that mean I agree with all? Of course not. I will argue a point, asI am now, but I think at some point we should agree to disagree and not use generalizations to describe people we can't agree with.

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