What would your decision be....

<blockquote> I watch cops everyday and you know I think they got it down prety good they seem to know when someone is one drugs and it in amazing how good they are at it!!</blockquote><br>LOL. This is true. But if you legalized drugs and made laws regarding their use in public you would need a way of testing and proving that suspected offendersare under the influence. As Kitty said this can be done by giving a blood test back at the station. This works fine right now because the ratio of drug usersis relatively low to the number of sober people in the general population. But if you legalized drugs i have a feeling the number of users would go up and theneed for officers to have equipment to test for traces while in the field would go up. The police just wouldn't have the manpower to haul in everysuspected "stoned" person they pulled over for a blood test if illegal drugs became mainstream. Make sense now?<br>

Justin, we can't do blood draws, just a urine test and it still needs to be sent to a lab. we only have kits to test drugs that we find on a person. blooddraws have to be done by a nurse or doctor at a hospital.

Interesting successfull defence I heard on CBC Radio the other night. There was a suspect vehicle doing something that drew the attention of the police. Uponthe window of the suspect vehicle being rolled down, a plume of marijuana smoke rose to engulf the officers head. Reasonable grounds for a search? Let'slook closer. The officer obviously as you or I would have thought would have had reasonable grounds to execute a search of the car. The driver refused to grantpermission and so the officer believing he had reasonable grounds searched the car finding a quantity of pot and subsequently charged the driver withpossession. The person charged then hired a lawyer who presented the defence that the smoke was evidence of something that at that instant, was no longer inexistance and there was no visual evidence of contraban from the exterior of the car and there-by had no reasonable grounds on which to search the car! Thejudge found on the side of the defence and threw out the charge! True!!! <img height="20" src="http://mmb.maverick.to/images/smilies/hmmm.gif" width="20" alt="image"> Rob?!

well that judge must be smokin some good stuff himself because thats perfect probable cause......hope that judge gets the boot!!!!

They smoked the evidence. I agree with you, Rob, that judge doesn't belong on the bench.<br><br>Justin, I don't think that legalising marijuana would increase its use to that point. I think a lot more people would try it, but consider how many peoplehave quit smoking; they may be less likely to try it because of what they went through to quit smoking cigarettes. People know it's a mind-alteringsubstance. If they are going to abuse something mind altering, they're going to do it regardless of legality issues.<br><br>My mother has said before that she'd try it if it was legal. I've been tempted many times to get her a joint in hopes that it would mellow her out.Hell, maybe for Mother's Day I'll surprise her with a J and a big bag of Cheetos.

I don't know what Province or jurisdiction it was in, I didn't catch the first few sentences. But I'm sure it was in Ontario. Here's anothersuccessfull defence I read years ago. I believe it was the OPP here. 2 officers on a rural patrol encounter a suspect gentleman loading large amounts of greenvegetation into the trunk of his car. Upon closer inspection, freshly harvested marijuana was the subtance in question and the suspect subsequently chargedwith cultivation of a controlled substance. His successfull defence in court, he hadn't cultivated it but instead just came across it. The charge was forcultivation and no evidence was produced by police to support the charge. No reduced charge was imposed and the suspect walked! <img height="20" src="http://mmb.maverick.to/images/smilies/hmmm.gif" width="20" alt="image"><p><br></p>

now that i could see gettin tossed Andy. he should've been charged with possession or possibly trafficking depending upon the amount. if they were smart,and if he was arrested outside of his home or a building, they shouldve asked for a search warrant and could've found his grow.<br><br>Kitty...you must really like cheetos!!

I love Cheetos, but that was meant to be for my mother hehehe. I know she likes them too, but maybe I should include a bag of Fritos Scoops and some bean dip,and probably some candy too. Who knows what kinda cravings she'd get and I sure as hell don't wanna drive her to the 7-11 on a munchie run (lots ofcops hang out there anyway hehehe)

<img height="15" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" width="15" alt="image">Really, one would never know if hewas telling the truth or not. I'd go 50/50 on that one. In Ontario there is and was a more severe backlog in the Provincial courts and largely due to minorand medium drug charges and a lotta petty related crime. Full and filling jails too related to the lesser offences, so the police have to get it right one shotand not tie up court time retrying smaller offences. If there is small consolation for police in some of these instances, it's at least that they'vetaken contraban off the street or recovered property even if no charges stick and result in conviction. It's a partial win, and the face of a new bad guyto remember for future reference.<img height="15" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" width="15" alt="image"><p><br></p>

Kitty- Be careful if you go to 7/11! Lunatics are galavanting around these days robbing convenience stores with chainsaws. They must be anticipating the ban onfirearms. Bring yer bow and arrow!<br><br>BTW in reference to the legalization of drugs. Were we talking about just legalizing marijuana or all illegal drugs? Doesnt seem to make sense to want tolegalize pot exclusively considering more crime is linked to the illegal sale and manufacturing of other drugs. I thought the idea was to eliminate things likethis from the picture. Not just to cater to folks wanting to toke up without being thrown in the slammer (no offense to the Cheeto fans). Yeah hard drugs aredangerous but if you could take the dealers and financial links to crime away from the picture and institute strict laws on where you could use them and limitwhat you could do while under their influence. It would be more of a "your only hurting yourself" situation. I may be wrong in my thinking. Whoknows. Thoughts?<br>

Do you ever proofread this crap kid???? Get a job. girl, LIFE son!!!! MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br><br>Later, Dave

<img height="25" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/grouphug.gif" width="41" alt="image"><p><br></p><img height="80" src="http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/party/party-smiley-020.gif" width="112" alt="image"><img height="80" src="http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/party/party-smiley-020.gif" width="112" alt="image"><img height="80" src="http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/party/party-smiley-020.gif" width="112" alt="image"><p><img height="80" src="http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/party/party-smiley-020.gif" width="112" alt="image"><img height="80" src="http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/party/party-smiley-020.gif" width="112" alt="image"><img height="80" src="http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/party/party-smiley-020.gif" width="112" alt="image"><br></p><img height="80" src="http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/party/party-smiley-020.gif" width="112" alt="image"><img height="80" src="http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/party/party-smiley-020.gif" width="112" alt="image"><img height="80" src="http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/party/party-smiley-020.gif" width="112" alt="image"><p>Wooohooooo.......Dave stoped in!!!<br><br>All drugs should never be legalized ever but I think were wasting a lot of time throwing people into jail and so on over a sack of pot.<br></p>

Hmmm. I must have made that post in the other thread in regards to my thoughts on decriminalisation of drugs. It's around here somewhere.<br><br><img height="25" src="http://mmb.maverick.to/images/smilies/stirthepot.gif" width="25" alt="image"> Allow me to stir the pot a little here. In today's news(well okay, yesterday now) was a segment telling us that they had found the guy who murdered a bunch of people in Memphis this week. That was the good news.The bad news is, the guy is the freakin <strong>brother</strong> of one of the deceased. It gets worse. The really bad news is, the <a target="_blank" href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/08/national/main3919607.shtml">filthy piece of human waste just got out on parole</a>! For a previousmurder, no less!<br><br>More good news, at least to some of us: Tennessee is a death penalty state. If I lived in Memphis, I'd gladly serve jury duty for this one. I am fair, evenin cases such as this. If it can't be shown by a preponderance of evidence that he committed the murders, then I would have no choice but to declare notguilty. You can bet your boots, though, that I would not hesitate to be part of a panel to condemn him to death either.

Will this thread EVER end? Jesus!

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">hotbirdsplanes wrote:</strong> <hr> Will this thread EVER end? Jesus!</blockquote><p> <img src="http://images.yuku.com/image/pjpeg/c4e15ab675e807958d18150fc2edf68954396a2.pjpg" alt="image"></p>

Apparently not. Christ!

no until someone gets hung!! or hanged...........<img height="20" src="http://mmb.maverick.to/images/smilies/hmmm.gif" width="20" alt="image"><p><br></p>

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">CombatKitty wrote:</strong> <hr> Hmmm. I must have made that post in the other thread in regards to my thoughts on decriminalisation of drugs. It's around here somewhere. <br><br><img height="25" alt="image" src="http://mmb.maverick.to/images/smilies/stirthepot.gif" width="25"> Allow me to stir the pot a little here. In today's news (well okay, yesterday now) was a segment telling us that they had found the guy who murdered a bunch of people in Memphis this week. That was the good news. The bad news is, the guy is the freakin <strong>brother</strong> of one of the deceased. It gets worse. The really bad news is, the <a target="_blank" href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/08/national/main3919607.shtml">filthy piece of human waste just got out on parole</a>! For a previous murder, no less! <br><br> More good news, at least to some of us: Tennessee is a death penalty state. If I lived in Memphis, I'd gladly serve jury duty for this one. I am fair, even in cases such as this. If it can't be shown by a preponderance of evidence that he committed the murders, then I would have no choice but to declare not guilty. You can bet your boots, though, that I would not hesitate to be part of a panel to condemn him to death either.</blockquote><p> Kitty! If yer lookin' to hand out the DP in this instance, it's the members of the parole board that should be hanged. This guy gets out whilecrack heads get 15 years on a '3StrikesYerOuttaHere'! <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/eyes.gif" alt="image"></p>

I get worried when this thread falls to far down, like i'm going to loose a good ol pal or something........

woohoo...dave made an appearance!!! i feel honored and very giddy! nah...wtf was i thinkin!!!! has anyone been put to death since this i started this Godforsaken monster!!!! WILL SOME STATE PLEASE PUT SOME POS LOSER LOW LIFE OUT OF THEIR MISERY AND MAKE THE VICTIMS FAMILY CLAP AND SCREAM FOR JOY BECAUSE THEJUSTICE SYSTEM LAID OUT THE FINAL SENTENCE!!! thank you, carry on......

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Nothing new going on here?? Not even one good hanging!! see that's the hole problem in a nut shell....The people got to stand up and say lets hang some badguys!!!...........

Executions decline during election years. People want those votes, so the ones who are against the death penalty (usually liberals) will find cause in somepiece of crap like Bobby Cutts Jr (woot! took this thread FULL CIRCLE!!) and fight to save their hide. Others (usually conservatives) will make promises thatyour family will be safe, for he or she is dedicated to keeping your city/state/neighbourhood free of crime.<br><br>It's all BS. I've heard enough broken promises by politicians in my lifetime to know better.<br><br>Time to throw a curveball. What about the families of the perpetrator? Aren't they being punished as well, by having a family member offed by the state? Isay they are. They are being punished BY their family member, who took the life (or lives) of someone else (or others). It's not the fault of the state.It's the fault of their own family member, who committed a heinous crime.<br><br>I look at the coverage of the recent killings in Memphis and how they showed the perp's mother on the news. The poor woman was crying her eyes out. I knowthat look. She's had her world ripped apart. Her baby boy killed <em>his own brother</em> and others. She wonders where she went wrong. She deservesunderstanding and she deserves to have someone tell her, "Ma'am, you did nothing wrong. You raised your boy the best you could. His mind wasn'tright."<br><br>Do I wish for the death penalty for this guy? Part of me says yes; you do the crime, you pay the penalty. But this case is different. There is background. Theguy probably <em>was</em> raised to be an upstanding citizen. He served in the military. That's where things went wrong. Like so many others these days,people come home from fighting in the middle east with their minds really screwed up. I saw similar when our guys came home from Viet Nam. Having to killchildren, who were taught to walk up to soldiers and blow themselves up, before they could kill our guys certainly left an impression. That's just one typeof case. There are other factors, I believe, such as environmental and chemical. Look at yesterday's reports of very poor quality water being given to ourpeople in Iraq, supplied to them by a subsidiary of Haliburton. Does it surprise anyone any longer, when that company name is mentioned in a negative light?<br><br>Back on the subject of the guy in Memphis... in this case, knowing only current details, I'd say no, he does not deserve the death penalty. He didn'tplan to kill a bunch of people. That alone removes one of the main criterion required to charge someone with the death penalty.<br><br>I just looked for the latest details and it appears that he killed his brother following an argument, then apparently decided to kill the remaining peoplethere because they were witnesses. So maybe he didn't "crack" after all. Gads what a mess.<br><br>I still wanna know what happened to that express lane they were supposed to be putting in an express lane down in Huntsville. Twenty-six executions in Texaslast year; zero this year. Election year. Told ya.

What they must be smoking crack, I vote for the one that hangs the most.......or a good hanging gets my vote!!

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Yes I seen this on the news a number of times. I just don't understand! Why? What goes through someones head, lets go shoot someone with a bow!<br><br>Maybe if the DP was used more a lot more it would give fools that do this stuff something to think about before they go out and take a life for no reason.

man that would totally suck, slow death and very painful.

<img height="15" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" width="15" alt="image">Hey look on the brightside,...there'd be a run on archery equipment if guns were confiscated! Drive by archering will become the norm. The bad guy is gonna jump out of a van outfront of the bank with his bow and arrow disguised as an Indian and be seen as a credible threat. He gets one shot, then he's shot by the armed guard atthe bank, but he'll never rob anything once he lets an arrow go, because his weapon is now redundant. It would be a no win for anyone using those in apractical manner to co-erce most potential victims. Who's child would do what that assailant did? Maybe what we need instaed of the death penalty would besomething more like Eugenics. Less barbaric. It's been up for discussion in the media in the past. You need to apply and be approved to have a baby.Everyone who is rejected gets sterilized. That couldn't be any more barbaric, and in fact, less barbaric.

hey Andy...i may have missed this question in all of your ramblings.....but i take it you are for guns being confiscated?! hows about some good reasons as towhy that is a good idea. i'd be really interested to see what you have to say.

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">deputyrob wrote:</strong> <hr> hey Andy...i may have missed this question in all of your ramblings.....but i take it you are for guns being confiscated?! hows about some good reasons as to why that is a good idea. i'd be really interested to see what you have to say.</blockquote><p> I will respond! Too late tonight. I'm gonna crash on my keyboard soon. I've mentioned various ideas already, but I'll put 'em all heretomorrow. Andy</p>

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">CheKitty wrote: I'm One Radical Cat!</strong> <hr> Rob, Andy is promoting drive-by stonings, but we're not completely sure if it involves rocks.</blockquote><p> Certainly not rocks of crack, but maybe something along the lines of PopRocks, or maybe the occassional Pop Rock song! <br><br></p>

thats pretty funny Kitty...will this thread make it to 400?! wait and see!

Rob! I was going to come back here and tell ya my plan on gun control, but in all practicality, who cares to know? Nobody. I'm not gonna waste my time. Ifyou still would like to know then it can be found in recent posts by me, or, I'd be none to happy to send you a Yuku message containing it. <br><br> Trust me on this, I'm not down for the count. Time for a strategic and tactical change in life. Gloves off from now on! There's just no place for thevoice of reason. <img height="15" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" width="15" alt="image"><br><br>

Oh Andy, always the martyr! <img height="16" src="http://www.hotwheelscollectors.com/IMAGES/VER2_0/site/GRAEMLINS/bawling.gif" width="21" alt="image">

Andy....go ahead and post your plan here...i'd love to see it...c'mon!

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">jamwood1 wrote: I Never Have Anything Worthwile To Say!</strong> <hr> Oh Andy, always the martyr! <img height="16" alt="image" src="http://www.hotwheelscollectors.com/IMAGES/VER2_0/site/GRAEMLINS/bawling.gif" width="21"></blockquote><p> </p> Hey, Don't cry for me Jamwoodtina1! I won't fall to your level! (Sung to: Don't Cry For Me Argentina!)

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">BlueWagoon wrote:</strong> <hr><blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">jamwood1 wrote: I Never Have Anything Worthwile To Say!</strong> <hr> Oh Andy, always the martyr! <img height="16" alt="image" src="http://www.hotwheelscollectors.com/IMAGES/VER2_0/site/GRAEMLINS/bawling.gif" width="21"></blockquote>Hey, Don't cry for me Jamwoodtina1! I won't fall to your level! (Sung to: Don't Cry For Me Argentina!)</blockquote><p>"I won't fall to your level" ...right after you altered his title line to insult him. <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/roll.gif" alt="image"><br><br>Good one.<br><br>Joel.</p>

<p> Take a bit to check this story here and then tell me it would sit well in your belly finding out after the fact that this guy was innocent from thestart!!!!! I want you death penalty advocates, and particularly the Christians among you, to tell me that it's more important to execute whomever,regardless of how well you think you know of his guilt. It seems the King Herod mentality prevails. This guy, Stephen Truscott is only alive today becauseCanada had only rescinded the Death Penalty. This guy would have dropped to his death for absolutely no reason at all. His family would have been totallydestroyed, no justice would have been served, and some perv would still be on the loose, and I think is. I wonder how many people my Government murdered in thename of Justice before I was born. I will not stand for the D.P. for any reason whatsoever.<br><br>The supreme rule cut in stone and handed directly down to man via the stone tablets containing the 10 Commandments says, 'Though Shalt Not Kill". Tomy understanding of Christianity is that this rule cannot be broken by Christians no matter how craftily the slick forked tongue of man twists and skews theword of God! <br><br> Could you imagine, and do it right now, what it would feel like being prepared for death by people then taken to the gallows and in front of the eyes of anaudience, suffer the extreme indignancy of this whole circumstance. Tell me this is good! Stephen Truscott's Nightmare, Read it: <a target="_blank" href="http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/truscott/">http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/truscott/</a><br><br></p> EDIT: This commentary applies only to the discussion on the D.P. It does not cover the use of firearms by police nor whatever procedure they have toutilize while performing their duties whether or not on duty officially!

And there's currently many more who otherwise would have been killed by the state should the DP not have been rescinded. There's 2 or 3 major suchcases in Canada right now! At least 2 have been released and absolved and compensated instead of being murdered by the state! These 2 were accused of the mosthorrendous murderous sex crimes, then incarcerated. What would that be like. This is a reason that they sit on death row, in case the state could be wrong!Thanks for the Association for The Wrongly Convicted!