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03-13-2008, 10:09 PM
jamwood1

"The supreme rule cut in stone and handed directly down to man via the stone tablets containing the 10 Commandments says, 'Though Shalt NotKill". This rule cannot be broken by Christians no matter how craftily the slick forked tongue of man twists and skews the word of God!" Once again Andy, this tells individuals to not commit murder, BUT the penalty for breaking the commandment was death, normally by stoning. So, don't usethe Bible or Christianity to try and make a point that the Bible itself contradicts!
03-13-2008, 10:12 PM
jamwood1

"jamwood1 wrote: I Never Have Anything Worthwile To Say! " And I know why you said that. I don't agree with you and I contradict you and that burns you up!
03-13-2008, 10:18 PM
BlueWag66n

<blockquote> jamwood1 wrote: <hr> "jamwood1 wrote: I Never Have Anything Worthwile To Say! " And I know why you said that. I don't agree with you and I contradict you and that burns you up!</blockquote> What's the Biblical penalty for killing the wrong guy Jamie?
03-13-2008, 10:25 PM
chickluu

is this the gun thread? Here we go again<img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_careless.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_nervous.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://mmb.maverick.to/images/smilies/hmmm.gif" width="20" alt="image">
03-13-2008, 10:28 PM
BlueWag66n

Also Jamie, it says thou shalt not kill. What happens to those who kill on behlf of the state. Where in the Bible does God say "Thou shalt not kill,but......",or , "Thou shalt not kill, except for those who carry out executions on behalf of the state, even when the state may in some cases bewrong?"
03-13-2008, 10:34 PM
deputyrob

Anita...well originally about a decision for the death penalty or not...and it's just A-bombed from there....big mushroom cloud and alot of destruction!!
03-13-2008, 10:35 PM
jamwood1

<blockquote> BlueWagoon wrote: <hr><blockquote> jamwood1 wrote: <hr> "jamwood1 wrote: I Never Have Anything Worthwile To Say! " And I know why you said that. I don't agree with you and I contradict you and that burns you up! </blockquote> What's the Biblical penalty for killing the wrong guy Jamie?</blockquote> Well, I guess we are talking about two different things Andy. I say that a person GUILTY of murdering for convenience be put to death. Now, I do agree, weneed to make sure without a shadow of a doubt the person is in fact guilty. When there is no doubt, such as DNA evidence, that a particular person is guilty ofsay raping and killing a 12 year old girl, give them the needle and game over. If there is no evidence that gives us 100% proof, then I agree the dp should notbe used.
03-13-2008, 10:37 PM
redlines68

I think when i go to Parris Island this summer im going to name my rifle Andy out of pure irony! Dont know how well that would go over with the DI'sthough. I could name it Andi since thats the female spelling. <img src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/confused01.gif" alt="image"> This is my rifle there are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle is named Andy. It was made in Canada. It is not a killer. It shoots only rubber bullets. My rifle is my friend but it it cant kill my enemies. Therefore to survive i can have no enemies. Unless they too do not kill. And if they do kill i must run far away from them. Into the hills. Or shoot straighter than my enemies and hit them in the eye. Because that is the only way my rubber bullets will strike them down. Without my rubber rifle i am not able to shoot my enemies eye out Without me my rubber rifle is still a cool novelty and makes the anti gun folks happy So be it! Before God and hippies i swear this creed.
03-13-2008, 10:41 PM
deputyrob

Justin....that is great!!!! lol!!
03-13-2008, 10:45 PM
jamwood1

Well crafted Justin.........LOL!
03-13-2008, 10:57 PM
BlueWag66n

<blockquote> jamwood1 wrote: <hr><blockquote> BlueWagoon wrote: <hr><blockquote> jamwood1 wrote: <hr> "jamwood1 wrote: I Never Have Anything Worthwile To Say! " And I know why you said that. I don't agree with you and I contradict you and that burns you up! </blockquote> What's the Biblical penalty for killing the wrong guy Jamie? </blockquote> Well, I guess we are talking about two different things Andy. I say that a person GUILTY of murdering for convenience be put to death. Now, I do agree, we need to make sure without a shadow of a doubt the person is in fact guilty. When there is no doubt, such as DNA evidence, that a particular person is guilty of say raping and killing a 12 year old girl, give them the needle and game over. If there is no evidence that gives us 100% proof, then I agree the dp should not be used. </blockquote> How about persons found to have some sort of fairly serious mental disorder. Some one who really is totally unaware of what there actions are.There is a diff between someone with say a severe case of Foetal Alcohol Syndrome, and someone of sane mind. Is there a diff to you or anyone? There is to me. A friend of mine plays the Big Brother role to a local young guy (25 or so) who has FAS and as nice a guy as he is, I know he cracked and did something to abuilding on my buddy's model railway layout. He cracked and got angry at something!???!!! He's not so bad as having to be institutionalized, butwhatever happens in the mind of a FAS person certainly has to be taken into account. If you are a pro lifer and aborting such offspring in a no go, thensociety has to provide for such persons and if they do something that might invite the death penalty, then would that society's execution of said person beakin to putting down a dog that bites? Which really is what the death penalty is about. It's like weeding out the domesticated mammals that have a tendancyto bite.
03-13-2008, 11:02 PM
jamwood1

<blockquote> BlueWagoon wrote: <hr> Also Jamie, it says thou shalt not kill. What happens to those who kill on behlf of the state. Where in the Bible does God say "Thou shalt not kill, but......",or , "Thou shalt not kill, except for those who carry out executions on behalf of the state, even when the state may in some cases be wrong?"</blockquote> OK, <a target="_blank" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=4&chapter=35&verse=30&version=9&context=verse">Numbers 35:30</a> Whoso killeth any person, the murderer shall be put to death by the mouth of witnesses: but one witness shall not testifyagainst any person to cause him to die. <a target="_blank" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=5&chapter=17&verse=7&version=9&context=verse">Deuteronomy 17:7</a> The hands of the witnesses shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterward the hands of all the people. So thoushalt put the evil away from among you. <a target="_blank" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=5&chapter=21&verse=22&version=9&context=verse">Deuteronomy 21:22</a> And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on atree: <a target="_blank" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=4&chapter=35&verse=16&version=9&context=verse">Numbers 35:16</a> And if he smite him with an instrument of iron, so that he die, he is a murderer: the murderer shall surely be put to death I could go on and on, but I won't
03-13-2008, 11:10 PM
BlueWag66n

<blockquote> redlines68 wrote: <hr> I think when i go to Parris Island this summer im going to name my rifle Andy out of pure irony! Dont know how well that would go over with the DI's though. I could name it Andi since thats the female spelling. <img alt="image" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/confused01.gif"> This is my rifle there are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle is named Andy. It was made in Canada. It is not a killer. It shoots only rubber bullets. My rifle is my friend but it it cant kill my enemies. Therefore to survive i can have no enemies. Unless they too do not kill. And if they do kill i must run far away from them. Into the hills. Or shoot straighter than my enemies and hit them in the eye. Because that is the only way my rubber bullets will strike them down. Without my rubber rifle i am not able to shoot my enemies eye out Without me my rubber rifle is still a cool novelty and makes the anti gun folks happy So be it! Before God and hippies i swear this creed. </blockquote> That is good! Hey! Listen up,................If you ever publish that or any other writings that include reference to any rifles or anything you'd nameAndy, Andi, Andee, Andie, Andey, Andhy, Ahndy, Ahndhy, etc..... in reference or dedication to me, and are entitled royalties for said work, I request here andnow that I get a percentage! Percentage to be negotiated! This would also apply to any gadgets, widgets, contraptions, and/or any contrivances derived from your encounter with the Big Bad Andy!!! LOL!!!
03-13-2008, 11:39 PM
BlueWag66n

 <a target="_blank" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=4&chapter=35&verse=30&version=9&context=verse">Numbers 35:30</a> Whoso killeth any person, the murderer shall be put to death by the mouth of witnesses: but one witness shall not testifyagainst any person to cause him to die. <a target="_blank" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=5&chapter=17&verse=7&version=9&context=verse">Deuteronomy 17:7</a> The hands of the witnesses shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterward the hands of all the people. So thoushalt put the evil away from among you. <a target="_blank" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=5&chapter=21&verse=22&version=9&context=verse">Deuteronomy 21:22</a> And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on atree: <a target="_blank" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=4&chapter=35&verse=16&version=9&context=verse">Numbers 35:16</a> And if he smite him with an instrument of iron, so that he die, he is a murderer: the murderer shall surely be put to death I could go on and on, but I won't Jamie! Okay! Fair enough! I'm glad to see you had gone to the trouble to gather those, It's appreciated. Different Bibles vary, but the essensce isthe same. Now listen. My personal belief is that one should not kill except for instances where you have to protect yourself or others from certain imminentdeath. Me, You, Police, border or jail guards. I have no problem with that. I'm not a dumb sheep that would allow myself to be led to slaughter (exceptmaybe in one of these threads, or two<img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/smile.gif" alt="image">). I just have a real problem withexecuting people once they have been contained. Did any deterents work for them? No. Lock 'em up. Most others need not be locked up necessarily. We'vealso come a long way since then. There are 100,000 people in the US in jail right now for drug offences alone. Not all need be there except for the worst. Big time dealers or importers ormanufacturers, but not small and medium stuff. If say 80,000 were redirected,......80,000X 50,000= $4billion that could be also redirected or reduced.Don't throw smaller stuff in with the really bad ass influences. That # is for drug offences alone. How many other smaller property or other petty creepsare in the can. Forced community service or school or something, or you go to jail.
03-13-2008, 11:51 PM
camarocrazy2

Andy, I'm not a religious person, there will be some errors, yes someone will die for no reason as they do everyday, as Chris posted in another thread aman was shot with an arrow and died on the street for no reason and his family is very very very upset. We don't even need guns or the DP for this tohappen...... So if an error is made and someone who is thought to be a bad guy dies and he was not as bad as we though it happens.
03-13-2008, 11:56 PM
jamwood1

<blockquote> BlueWagoon wrote: There are 100,000 people in the US in jail right now for drug offences alone. Not all need be there except for the worst. Big time dealers or importers or manufacturers, but not small and medium stuff. If say 80,000 were redirected,......80,000X 50,000= $4billion that could be also redirected or reduced. Don't throw smaller stuff in with the really bad ass influences. That # is for drug offences alone. How many other smaller property or other petty creeps are in the can. Forced community service or school or something, or you go to jail.</blockquote> Well, we managed to find something we do agree on, I agree with that statement 100%. The way the system is now just perpetuates the problem.
03-14-2008, 12:35 AM
BlueWag66n

<blockquote> jamwood1 wrote: <hr><blockquote> BlueWagoon wrote: There are 100,000 people in the US in jail right now for drug offences alone. Not all need be there except for the worst. Big time dealers or importers or manufacturers, but not small and medium stuff. If say 80,000 were redirected,......80,000X 50,000= $4billion that could be also redirected or reduced. Don't throw smaller stuff in with the really bad ass influences. That # is for drug offences alone. How many other smaller property or other petty creeps are in the can. Forced community service or school or something, or you go to jail. </blockquote> Well, we managed to find something we do agree on, I agree with that statement 100%. The way the system is now just perpetuates the problem.</blockquote> <img height="15" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" width="15" alt="image">Yahoo!
03-14-2008, 12:41 AM
BlueWag66n

<img height="15" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" width="15" alt="image">Hey Dan! I don't know how longthis thread may take before it dies an ugly death, but I will say I found it hilarious how you would pop in every now and then to say "Hang 'em", and so on!<img height="15" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" width="15" alt="image">
03-14-2008, 12:51 AM
dftcat

Your the man Andy,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Don't you like Budgie???
03-14-2008, 01:02 AM
BlueWag66n

I ain't da man! Just some guy! Budgie? Never had any, but some buddies growin' up had several. I remember that I liked it. I'll listen to mostanything except for Celine, wrap, or country for too long. Some of my buddies listen to country. A lot of wrap and a lot of country have one thing in common.Kickin' the crap outta people! <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/laugh.gif" alt="image">
03-14-2008, 01:18 AM
camarocrazy2

Short and simple that's the way I like to keep it and see you got my message!!!<img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/wink.gif" alt="image"> Thanks Andy I fill all warm now!!<img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/smile.gif" alt="image">
03-14-2008, 01:30 AM
camarocrazy2

Oh....dam your right....thought it was a fart .....guess not....<img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/sick.gif" alt="image">
03-14-2008, 01:31 AM
diecast proto

<img height="21" src="http://www.dodgetalk.com/forums/images/smilies/zx11shocked.gif" width="22" alt="image"> WOW guys, you are still on this thread??, ohwell..<img height="35" src="http://sshare1.familylobby.com/icons/icon_popcorn.gif" width="35" alt="image">Raed
03-14-2008, 12:18 PM
BlueWag66n

<blockquote> camarocrazy2 wrote: <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/embarassed.gif" alt="image">Checked My Adult Diaper......Turned Out It Was Liquified Natural Gas<img height="30" src="http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/sprachlos/speechless-smiley-040.gif" width="18" alt="image">, Where's The Rail Tank Car? <hr> Oh....dam your right....thought it was a fart .....guess not....<img alt="image" src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/sick.gif"></blockquote> <img height="15" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" width="15" alt="image">
03-14-2008, 01:07 PM
BlueWag66n

In my mind, the death penalty imposed on so few speaks to barbarism. The numbers are so small, the money involved in jailing them for life is minisculecompared to the hundreds of thousands in jail that shouldn't be. 15 years for smoking crack? Justify that! Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocatingor defending the use of crack. With numbers this small, there's no argument as to the cost to taxpayers to house murderers for life! Period! Using the courts to try and execute offenders is tantamount to nothing more than revenge, vengeance, and that barbaric thing inside some people regardless ofwhat side of the law your on. Stats: <a target="_blank" href="http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/dpusa.htm">http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/dpusa.htm</a> Kitty, you appear to be correct on the minor I was talking about that I thought was executed in Texas. Maybe what I heard was something about a minor'being' on death row, or maybe that it was in some jurisdiction external to that of the US. I know I heard something about a minor on death row.I'll continue to seek.

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