What would your decision be....

<img height="35" src="http://sshare1.familylobby.com/icons/icon_popcorn.gif" width="35" alt="image"> Religion, Political affilliation? I thought this was abouta guilty killer?..dave<p><br></p>

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title"><strong class="quote-title"><strong class="quote-title"><strong class="quote-title">spectraflamed</strong></strong></strong> wrote:</strong> <hr> I am pro-life</blockquote><p> Bobby Cutts isn't....<br>.I personally think that the supreme punishment for this POS would be life in prison, the only thing worse than being in prison, is being an ex cop and a babykiller in prison. His life would be an unimaginable hell. Putting an animal out of its misery is an act of mercy, he deserves to suffer.....Michael </p>

<p><font color="#003300">Michael, I agree with you up to a point but it will cost thousands of dollars to keep this piece of crap alive. He was a policeofficer. He knew the law. No excuses. Cops need to be held more accountable for their actions. The SOB does NOT deserve to live. His child will be betteroff w/o him. Keeping him alive is no good for society. He will still enjoy things in life that Jesse will not enjoy. This scumbag may enjoy a movie or asong or a candy bar. He will get joy at receiving news of his living child. Jesse will get none of that. On top of that , he killed his own child. <br><br>I am totally disgusted with men that do NOT want children and yet will NOT wear a condom. I stress to my sons all of the time to wear a "raincoat"all of the time and to not depend the b*tches using protection. Had he used a condom 9 months earlier, maybe none of this would've happened! <br><br>Now let the SOB fry.<br><br><br>maribell</font></p>

Why so much hatred?

You're right, we should all join Greg and invite this guy to thanksgiving, tell him its OK and that he probably had a reason to and that we'll give himanother chance, where we can thank him for doing what he did...then we can all go hug a tree for gods sake.

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">dftcat wrote:</strong> <hr><img height="35" alt="image" src="http://sshare1.familylobby.com/icons/icon_popcorn.gif" width="35"> Religion, Political affilliation? I thought this was about a guilty killer?..dave <p><br></p></blockquote><p> </p> Dave, this thread is about what to do with the 'guilty killer'. We live in a political society partially based on the values found within theBible originally. A civilized justice system is a necessary part of that. I'm curious just how many people who call for the death penalty would actually dothe deed. Even seasoned police officers find themselves in a psychological crisis after having to kill someone. Seems though, that there is something inparticular about the US that facilitates such butchery. Hollywood? Gun Lobby? Ignorance? Cultivated greed? What is it? Andy<img height="15" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" width="15" alt="image"><p><br></p>

Why so much hatred? He's a killer,murderer, killing his (girlfriend) &amp; his unborn child!!! Come on, you want him or his kind living down the streetfrom your daughter? Oh yea he's got a wife on the side too, what a fine young man. Lets just give him another chance. I don't get it,you don'treason or try to understand killers you remove them from society by whatever means necessary....dave

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">groggerbug wrote:</strong> <hr> Why so much hatred?</blockquote><p> Simple! The further to the right your frame of mind is, the more visceral and unintellectual you are. The further to the left, the more intellectual andless of a propensity for violence. Also, Adam, I'd rather have a 1000 trees and 2 humans than 2 trees and 1000 humans! What do ya have against trees?Weren't you sporting some pics of nice Texas scenery? Notice any trees in that pic? I guess the only use you have for a tree is to hang people from eh!Andy<img height="15" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" width="15" alt="image"></p>

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">BlueWagoon wrote:</strong> <hr> That is vile! I understand the sentiment. No Liberal wants bad guys walking around anymore than innocents being put to death. The trick is to strike the right balance. There is a homeless guy in my small town who when he was about 12 witnessed his Dad kill his Mom. It absolutely destroyed his life. He was living under a tarp in a hole on abandoned land by the harbour last winter. This guy just can't get it together. He's spent the last 25 years or so selling dope, break-ins, thievery, etc....The last I heard he was draining parking meters in the middle of the night. There's a lotta folks around here who would really rather just see the guy dead, just about all of whom are right wing Christians! This speaks to Christianity for me! Andy<img height="15" alt="image" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" width="15"><br></blockquote><p> I get it, you don't like Christianity, but what does that have to do with the original question? If you were a juror, would you vote for life in prisonor the death penalty? Leave religion in any form out of it. I think he should die and you think life in prison is best....period. How this turned into adiscussion about religion and politics is beyond me and is way off topic. </p>

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">BlueWagoon wrote:</strong> <hr><blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">dftcat wrote:</strong> <hr><img height="35" alt="image" src="http://sshare1.familylobby.com/icons/icon_popcorn.gif" width="35"> Religion, Political affilliation? I thought this was about a guilty killer?..dave <p><br></p> </blockquote>Dave, this thread is about what to do with the 'guilty killer'. We live in a political society partially based on the values found within the Bible originally. A civilized justice system is a necessary part of that. I'm curious just how many people who call for the death penalty would actually do the deed. Even seasoned police officers find themselves in a psychological crisis after having to kill someone. Seems though, that there is something in particular about the US that facilitates such butchery. Hollywood? Gun Lobby? Ignorance? Cultivated greed? What is it? Andy<img height="15" alt="image" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" width="15"><p><br></p></blockquote><p> </p> You can find the answer to what religeon and politics have to do with this thread ^ up there!

Right back to bashing right wingers (unintellectual). Just say what you mean we're just dumb , is that it. What makes you so (intellectual).Your post justshows the lefty paybook, i'm smart your dumb!..dave

That still has nothing to do with the question. I see though, those who disagree with you must be less intelligent than you and must be right wing Christians.I am an independent thinker, I don't wholeheartedly agree with the right or the left, I prefer to think for myself and form my own opinions regardless ofwho agrees or disagrees with me. Like I said before, way off topic.

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">BlueWagoon wrote:</strong> <hr><blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">groggerbug wrote:</strong> <hr> Why so much hatred? </blockquote> <p>Simple! The further to the right your frame of mind is, the more visceral and unintellectual you are. The further to the left, the more intellectual and less of a propensity for violence. Also, Adam, I'd rather have a 1000 trees and 2 humans than 2 trees and 1000 humans! What do ya have against trees? Weren't you sporting some pics of nice Texas scenery? Notice any trees in that pic? I guess the only use you have for a tree is to hang people from eh! Andy<img height="15" alt="image" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" width="15"></p></blockquote><p> Read between the lines man, all of you guys have this weird perception that love is the only way. Well it doesnt work, sick f****rs like that guy dont get"rehabilitated", they dont get better, they dont deserve a second shot. I do agree that *SOMETIMES* there are unique circumstances, but that israre, and the case in question doesnt appear to be one of those times. The world needs to be cleaned of the scum that inhabits it, and throwing them in jailwith 3 good meals a day, cable TV, no bills or anything else isnt the way to do it, nor is the rest of the law abiding world working its ass off to pay forthese people to live the free life because they have no reguard for someone elses live. <br>Yeah I know that the death penalty can be expensive, but thats rediculous...it shouldnt be. Their victims didnt get to choose to be killed in a sterilizedroom, doped up on pain killers so they wouldnt feel it, with a tiny needle that puts you to sleep, so why should they get the easy way out? Bring back thefiring squad, line up 100 death row inmates and set up drone guns and hit the on switch...bring in the bulldozer, wash it out, scrape the remains into afirepit, bring in 100 more.</p>

I love bashing right wingers! They should be tough enough to take it, or is the tough stuff a cover for insecurity and weakness? And because I bash them,that shouldn't be construed as a left wing bias on my part, I'm not a lefty either. They have their problems or inadequacies too, but you don'thave to worry about them as much. Seems that righties are the ones who want all the rules but have the most trouble adhering to their own doctrines.They're the bad cowboys in the giant OK Corral. Basically, each righty is the center of the universe! No animosity really intended. Most of what I say isunbiased observation. I admire intellect as opposed to instinctual viscerality. It's what separates the Humans from the critters. Read up on some EpiscopalReverend John Spong's stuff and enlighten yourself! Andy<img height="15" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" width="15" alt="image">

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Start a new thread and get on your soapbox and discuss the fact that you aren't a left winger, just think like one, talk like one, and preach like one, butthis thread is about none of the above.....and why so much overcompensation? When a person who is far right or left resorts to bashing the other side as theironly response, it kinda makes you wonder.

The bottom line here, is to protect society from such people. Who said they wanted to rehabilitate the guy and let him go next year? It's obvious he'sguilty. What should we do with any of you gun toting types if and when you crack? Any of you are just as susceptible to loosing your mind. Should you looseyour mind and kill your pregnant wife, I'm sure your family will be eager to kill you themselves on front of everybody at market square. I for one wouldput you in jail for life in case I might be wrong, and I believe the percentage of wrongfull executions is about 12%-15%. Andy<img height="15" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" width="15" alt="image">

Ok he's a good guy, I will have him over for dinner let him go out with my wife to the movies cuz I hate crowds....and so on....<br><br>sorry..... I don't want to see any of these poor miss guded persons killed.<br><br>So all the lies my brother tells me about how they would just as soon kill him cuz he was a prison guard on death row in utah state prison is just a bunch ofbull, my brother is just making a living for his wife a two sons so let them live!! bunch of good guys that just like to masterbate a throw the stuff on theprison gurads is how they have a good time, how about a stink bomb, thats when they let there **** and piss sit in there cell for a week or two and then tossit at the prison guards!! Poor prisoners let them live!!! These are the people that need to be killed not the guy that is selling so weed, or did not pay tenparking tickets cuz he don't have a job, I just want to kill the ones that kill people like me and my wife cuz we are in our house and they need money tobuy crack......oh oh oh weed is the gate way drug.....bull crap!! I'm taking about doing away with people that kill and rape!! There are people that justwaste air that others need!!<br><br><br>Just kill them and be done with them, when they get sent to jail and still can't behave them self why do we waste our time with them, we send them toprison and they just have a good time killing other prisoners, doing there gang work in prison doing drugs in prison doing gay stuff in prison and people thinkwe should waste our tax money on them, the hell with them kill them now and save the moeny and time on some thing else!! How many time do we need to sendsomeone to prison before it's ok to kill them one, two, three, four, lets see if we can waste more of our hard earned money on people that just don'tcare about you or me.........so what?????? they can get out a kill or hurt you!!!<br><br><br>Good day to you and all you good doers.,..I say kill them and be done!!!

Right wing mentality=Dark Ages/Left wing mentality=Renaissance. Andy<img height="15" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" width="15" alt="image">

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">BlueWagoon wrote:</strong> <hr> Right wing mentality=Dark Ages/Left wing mentality=Renaissance. Andy<img height="15" alt="image" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" width="15"></blockquote><p> </p>But you aren't left wing....yeah right....think for yourself, don't align yourself with any groups.....and most of all don't have adifferent view than Andy beecause that automatically makes you both a right winger and stupid no less. <img height="20" src="http://mmb.maverick.to/images/smilies/hmmm.gif" width="20" alt="image">

Do you need the number for over posters anonymous?<img height="20" src="http://mmb.maverick.to/images/smilies/hmmm.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_wink1.gif" width="20" alt="image"><p><br></p><p><br></p>

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">BlueWagoon wrote:</strong> <hr> The bottom line here, is to protect society from such people. Who said they wanted to rehabilitate the guy and let him go next year? It's obvious he's guilty. What should we do with any of you gun toting types if and when you crack? Any of you are just as susceptible to loosing your mind. Should you loose your mind and kill your pregnant wife, I'm sure your family will be eager to kill you themselves on front of everybody at market square. I for one would put you in jail for life in case I might be wrong, and I believe the percentage of wrongfull executions is about 12%-15%. Andy<img height="15" alt="image" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" width="15"></blockquote><p> </p>So now "us gun toting types" are going to kill our wives when we "crack"? WTF is wrong with you man, you are the most sterotypingperson in this thread...to you there's either "left wing Renaissance or right wing crazed madmen who kill their loved ones, way to be open minded tothe real world!<br><br>I just hope that nobody ever breaks into your house and tries to harm your family, as fighting them away from your wife and kids with your spatula wont do muchgood, so they will probably get the best of your family. Then you can go visit the guy in jail and bring tea and cookies and share your compassion with theman who just killed them.

This is no longer a thread about what a civil society should do with a convicted killer. It's just about killing. Later! Andy<img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/sick.gif" alt="image">

Andy your the one who changed the subject countless times, but when you bluff is called you bail? We're all just blood thirsty killers now , right?<br> I can still get ya that number if will help...dave

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">BlueWagoon wrote:</strong> <hr> This is no longer a thread about what a civil society should do with a convicted killer. It's just about killing. Later! Andy<img alt="image" src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/sick.gif"></blockquote><p> </p>It was never about that, it was about whether you, as a juror, would vote for life in prison or the death penalty. Left Winger manual page 225, if youcan't get everyone to agree with you, and bashing does not work, take your ball and go home!<img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/laugh.gif" alt="image">

<p>No andy it's about what civil people should do to a society with killers among them, gang bang, drug dealers, rapist, people that take from those thatwork for what they have...is there something wrong with taking out the son of a bitch that killed the love of your life one and only person that you dream ofgrowing old with just because they need money for haroin or speed........<br><br>Lucky will be the the peace of crap that breaks into my house had has a quick round to the head!! </p>

I'll bet if his pregnant girlfriend was a "gun-toting type," the outcome might have been different when the nut cracked.<br><br>Anyway, didn't we have a discussion about the national debt and how raising my taxes to pay it off would make me prosperous. Well, as I was driving acrossthe lovely United Socialist State of California today, I got to thinking about this thread and that one.<br><br>It's so obvious. Let's kill every POS who is on death row or serving a life sentence without parole (all appeals exhausted). I'm not beingsarcastic. Let's take that money saved from pampering them for the rest of their lives and apply *that* money to the national debt. This way, some good cancome from their evil. Most importantly, my taxes don't get raised to make me more prosperous.<br><br>Something for the lefties, the righties, the Christians, and the heathens.<br><br>I know it comes off as facetious, but I'm serious. BUT: if you catch the flaw in the financial logic there, good for you.<br><br>Joel.

Yeah where was my sense of being humane. Forget about the public hangings once murderers, rapists, and child molesters are convicted by a jury of their peers.Yeah lets just give em a "life sentence" in a government facility paid for by you and me where more than likely they will be parolled in 10-15 yearsfor BS "good behavior". I dont think this is enough though. Lets spend even more time and money catering to these maggots. Heres some more treehugging feel good ideas for being humane to murderes, rapists, and child molestors and making sure their feelings arent hurt and they can be all they can bewhile on their all expense paid prison sentence:<br><br>1.) Give them first class accommodations. They need rooms with cable, leather furniture, and a private restroom. Also give them a private hot tub in each room.Hell throw in a wet bar also. They need to be able to relax. Poor things!<br>2.) Give them 5 star meals for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.<br>3.) Teach them martial arts so they can better maim society once they are released. Nothing better than teaching a convicted murderer how to quicklyincapacitate his or her future victims!<br>4.) Pay them $20,000 sign on bonuses for being such upstanding citizens and signing on by committing crimes against humanity. They need to know the prisonsystem appreciates their service.<br>5.) In addition to the sign on bonus they receive upon their conviction lets pay them all $50,000 a year for their pain and suffering. After all its not theirfault they killed, raped, or murdered a person!<br>6.) Upon their release issue them firearms for "self defense" from irate law abiding citizens. After all they have been "rehabilitated" soits not like they'll hurt anyone on purpose.<br>7.) Upon their release also give them body guards for protection. "Barbaric" law abiding citizens like us are bound to be armed as well, so who knowswhat kind of irrational behavior we will be up to. Ex cons need the extra security from us "barbarians"!<br>8.) Take away the right to bear arms from law abiding citizens so they wont be a threat to criminals. Also since were issuing firearms to ex-cons they willhave the upper hand against Joe Public should things escalate.<br>9.) Lets also disarm the police too! Who knows what these crazy trigger happy cops might do when they see these "rehabilitated" ex cons raping andmurdering again.<br><br>Yep i think if we all stand side by side and hold hands in front of the white house playing feel good music we can bring about these changes so these poorlittle criminals can have some equality for a change. It will be like hands across America only we wont be doing it for a good cause. Yay! Now wheres mytambourine!<br><br><br>

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">jamwood1 wrote:</strong> <hr><blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">BlueWagoon wrote:</strong> <hr> This is no longer a thread about what a civil society should do with a convicted killer. It's just about killing. Later! Andy<img alt="image" src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/sick.gif"></blockquote>It was never about that, it was about whether you, as a juror, would vote for life in prison or the death penalty. Left Winger manual page 225, if you can't get everyone to agree with you, and bashing does not work, take your ball and go home!<img alt="image" src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/laugh.gif"></blockquote><p> <img height="15" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" width="15" alt="image">Take my ball an go home! Rightback at ya dude! I would suspect that because Rob didn't make this thread a 'poll' in particular, that maybe he left it open for comment. Idon't bash people because they disagree with me. That's a shallow minded right wing tactic. And I never changed the subject. The subject is what Iwould do as a juror. The key word is 'Juror'. My comments imply that I'd spare the guys life (like I would your's should I find myself at yourCapital Punishment trial). Jurors exist in a civil society that hold the Rule of Law as one of its highest tenets. You should feel very lucky to live in asociety that would afford you that, and NOT haul you outback and put a bullet in your head minutes after a lopsided unfair sham trial like they do in a lot ofEastern countries and not unlike those of your own Salem witch trials. Hey, just do what King Harrod did, kill 'em all, even the innocents, so you makesure you get the right one! So yeah, in a thread about the Death Penalty, I see nothing wrong with expanding the topic into the bigger picture. It's alldirectly related to politics and religeon. What part don't you understand? You don't suffer from a short attention span do you? I don't know you,so I can't make that call! If you need some help, feel free to ask Jamie! Andy<img height="15" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" width="15" alt="image"></p>

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">dftcat wrote:</strong> <hr> Andy your the one who changed the subject countless times, but when you bluff is called you bail? We're all just blood thirsty killers now , right? <br> I can still get ya that number if will help...dave</blockquote><p> Dave, read the part in my previous post about changing subjects. No subjects were changed. Was that you who called some bluff? Who exactly called somebluff. I'm not bluffing, and have enough spine not to bail when the crowd gets tough. It was late last night, and I'm not about to stay up all nightresponding to viscerality. If you vigourously call for the Death Penalty, yeah, you too are now a killer just as a mob boss who doesn't actually do thedeed, but calls on his minions to kill someone. I can hear the thirst in the throats of the respondents here, just read the thread, you don't hear a thirstfor this guy's execution? Doesn't execution mean kill? Pffft!........I'll say this again just in case you never really read or comprehended what Isaid. It's more important in a society like ours to spare a few killers so as not to harm the innocent. Do you want to wind the clock back centuries. Seemsthat's what righties want to do. They want to go back. That's part of what what conservatism is all about. They wanna go back to their good ol'days. The only good ol' days there were, occurred in the later '60s through most of the '70s when civil compassionate harmonious society seemed topeak. Its drastically degraded since the drift of society went me me me, wealth wealth wealth, look at me and what I have. Andy<img height="15" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" width="15" alt="image"></p>

Andy, just because a person calls for the death penalty does not make them a killer. c'mon dude, thats a horrible stereotype. i believe in the deathpenalty because there are certain crimes that i strongly believe need to be punished by death. and those would be any form of murder, or the taking of anotherpersons life other than by a true accident or self defense of ones self or another person. ven aperson who drives drunk and kills someone i feel should be putdo death, that might be harsh but that would really cut down on people gettin behind the wheels drunk. and... child rapists, they just are the lowest scum onearth and don't deserve to breath. there should be no lethal injection, gas chair or hanging. either firing squad or beheading, quick and over with. theconvicted would get one appeal, just one...if that appeal fell through..in two days they were dead. simple as that. no more of this on death row for yearstrying to find some bleeding heart judge or governor that will stay there execution. the poor person that POS murdered or that poor child they rapeddoesn't get anything...now do they. its not about right wing or left wing, its about whats right and whats not. there are punishments to face forcommitting crimes...end of story.

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">BlueWagoon wrote:</strong> <hr><blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">jamwood1 wrote:</strong> <hr><blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">BlueWagoon wrote:</strong> <hr> This is no longer a thread about what a civil society should do with a convicted killer. It's just about killing. Later! Andy<img alt="image" src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/sick.gif"></blockquote>It was never about that, it was about whether you, as a juror, would vote for life in prison or the death penalty. Left Winger manual page 225, if you can't get everyone to agree with you, and bashing does not work, take your ball and go home!<img alt="image" src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/laugh.gif"></blockquote> <p><img height="15" alt="image" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" width="15">Take my ball an go home! Right back at ya dude! I would suspect that because Rob didn't make this thread a 'poll' in particular, that maybe he left it open for comment. I don't bash people because they disagree with me. That's a shallow minded right wing tactic. And I never changed the subject. The subject is what I would do as a juror. The key word is 'Juror'. My comments imply that I'd spare the guys life (like I would your's should I find myself at your Capital Punishment trial). Jurors exist in a civil society that hold the Rule of Law as one of its highest tenets. You should feel very lucky to live in a society that would afford you that, and NOT haul you outback and put a bullet in your head minutes after a lopsided unfair sham trial like they do in a lot of Eastern countries and not unlike those of your own Salem witch trials. Hey, just do what King Harrod did, kill 'em all, even the innocents, so you make sure you get the right one! So yeah, in a thread about the Death Penalty, I see nothing wrong with expanding the topic into the bigger picture. It's all directly related to politics and religeon. What part don't you understand? You don't suffer from a short attention span do you? I don't know you, so I can't make that call! If you need some help, feel free to ask Jamie! Andy<img height="15" alt="image" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" width="15"></p></blockquote><p> Once again, more of the same, I disagree with you so you jump to conclusions. I must be right wing and I must be stupid. I am neither right or left, Ichoose to think for myself and I am far from stupid.<br>As far as being a juror at my trial, that just made me laugh. I am not a murderer so I won't be having a Capital Punishment trial, thank you.<br>I know this thread was left open for comment, but I think it would be better served if you stayed on topic instead of using it as your personal pulpit bashingthose that disagree with you. For someone that claims to be enlightened, you are extremely closed minded. We don't have to agree on this subject, butquestioning the intelligence of those that don't see things your way is both closed minded and juvenile.<br><br>To answer the original question posed in this thread, I feel that this person in this particular trial deserves the death penalty for his actions.</p>

Deputy Rob, would you please take the stand? Few quick questions officer? You pulled over a driver, and he/she displayed the following:<br>1. Claimed to be Jesus?<br>2. Referencing of fictional movies as if they were NONfiction or even relevant to your encounter?<br>3. Everywhere else, but the topic of "your" discussion at the time of the encounter?<br>4. Outlandish generalizations, remarks, comments, etc.<br>What would be your first instinct of said driver be?<br>(Objection denied, the officer is a member of the law, and these are facts, motion denied, please continue Deputy Rob-thankyou)

I fully understand, sympathize, and empathize with the families of victims of such hideous crimes, and the sentiments of some of you guys (ever hear of WillyPicton near Vancouver. Actually, he lived just down the road from Karen. He's serving a sentence for the murder of 6 women from the Vancouver area and isaccused of at least 44 more where he killed them with a gun in a dildo, and/or injections of engine coolant, then fed them to his pigs which were later sent tomarket where unsuspecting consumers then ate the meat. They sifted the soil his property and found zillions of tiny particles of chewed up bone where the pigscrapped. This is hideous. He's doin' life, and now our country, and yours is a little safer). The D.P. has been proven not to be very much of adeterent, and I maintain that it's MORE important to protect the possible innocent from such a fate. I just think it's taking the high road. Isn'tthat what society wants from me or us? It takes a helluva lot more strength to maintain the high road. Anybody can just say ah kill 'em all. And besides,there are a lot more important underlying problems in society that should be dealt with so we don't keep finding ourselves in this mess. I am no squeamishbleeding heart Liberal, I'd kill ya in a second if I had to. I spent most of my high school years kickin' the crap out of bullies who prayed on theweak. I shoulda been a cop. My Mom always wanted me to be an RCMP. I wouldn't really want to shoot someone, but gimmee a high speed pursuit anyday. Itwould be interesting to know what it was like on the chase side rather than the chased. We used to ride our dirt bikes and snowmobiles down some roads to getto the trails. Occassionally, our friends the OPP Officers Olmstead and White would be on patrol out in the country and encounter us. We'd tease them witha few wheelies or doughnuts (not those donuts), then the chase would be on, and all in good fun. We tried to get away just for the sake of fun. I know theywere having fun too, they just had a job to do. I was never charged. Things were different back then. Society wasn't so hard edged. Andy<img height="15" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" width="15" alt="image"><p><br></p>

I see the first attack (mild) was on me from 6pak, then shortly after on Greg from Adam with the Thanksgiving thing and the tree hugger thing, then in jumpedDave and Jamie (one of whom said something about me making too many posts. You carried it on Dude, not me. Had to get the last word in eh! And when attacked,I'll defend myself, and not with a spatula Adam). They misunderstand what you say and if you don't agree with them, they then attack you, create chaos,the subject gets lost and they feel they are right and are the victors. Typical right wing mentality! I talked to a VP of a major financial institution yearsback to ask why is it that a right wing government causes so much chaos in society, and he told me that the wealthy right exists and prospers better amidstchaos. Problem is, most others do less well. Andy<img height="15" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" width="15" alt="image"><p><br></p>

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">BlueWagoon wrote:</strong> <hr> I see the first attack (mild) was on me from 6pak, then shortly after on Greg from Adam with the Thanksgiving thing and the tree hugger thing, then in jumped Dave and Jamie (one of whom said something about me making too many posts. You carried it on Dude, not me. Had to get the last word in eh! And when attacked, I'll defend myself, and not with a spatula Adam). They misunderstand what you say and if you don't agree with them, they then attack you, create chaos, the subject gets lost and they feel they are right and are the victors. Typical right wing mentality! I talked to a VP of a major financial institution years back to ask why is it that a right wing government causes so much chaos in society, and he told me that the wealthy right exists and prospers better amidst chaos. Problem is, most others do less well. Andy<img src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" alt="image" height="15" width="15"><p><br></p></blockquote><p> Actually my response to you was not an attack but merely a response to your verbal goofiness directed towards Christians and Americans and Canadians andthe justice system and the Catholics. In the interest of taking you seriously I found a small snippet ( the only statement that managed to rise to the level oferror) from your diatribe and commented on it. Most of what you say is contradictory and non-nonsensical (to me at least). However you don't seem to getmad when I insult you back. I respect that. If you can't take it don't dish it out I always say.<br></p>

More of the same, do you actually read other's posts? Once again, you have decided that everyone who disagrees with you is a right winger. And talk aboutthe subject getting lost, this post was not about left or right wing, it was about opinion on what the outcome of one trial should be. I think you lost that inthe midst of attacking all would dare to disagree with you. After attacking large groups of people with ridiculous generalizations, you now want to paintyourself as some kind of martyr.

Hey Andy---It's better not to get sucked into these types of exchanges---ToM/NOLa---the baseball bat-toting, pro-choice, anti-capital punishment, long-timeRLOL liberal, who sometimes posts here.

The jury let the guy off easy with life in prison, btw.<br><br>Just in case anyone was still on topic here (not as if I haven't hijacked a thread or two).<br><br>It's interesting, is it not, that those who would spare his life in the name of "civility" would have him live out a "natural" lifefilled with torture.<br><br>Didn't Jeffery Dahmer (sp?) wind up dead with a broom handle...er...nevermind...would rather not have this post removed, too.<br><br>Does anyone see a better outcome for this guy?<br><br>So, please, someone remind me which is the more barbaric course of action.<br><br>Cheers.<br><br>Joel.

Neither of you get it! I didn't attack Catholics either, I commented on CatholicIZM, of which, I, was born into (not my choice) and am supposed to be. Inever really went for it, so I can't call myself a 'Recovering Catholic'. It seems to me when the church attacks gays, they say "We are notagainst them, we are against what they do". Same thing with how I might speak. Did I attack any one named person, NO! Was MY name used when told to takemy ball and go home or any of the other things said? YES. Why the double standard? I don't think some of you hold yourselves to the same standard that youhold me to. And as far as this 'true religeon' thing goes, this was in the news lately where the Vatican appealed to Protestants to revert back astheir religeon is bogus and not the one true religeon. The Catholics want to see salvation for the Protestants. Talk about imposing beliefs on someone else. Iside with the Protestants on this one. I don't blame them for the Reformation in Europe. Who wants to send all their money somewhere else and not use itlocally, or answer to an entity who is removed from your situation, but insists on ruling you. I'm not one sided. If anything my political inclination liesjust right of centre, but more so on the entire spectrum. So please, without knowing me or who I am, hold off the 'personal' attacks. I commented onthe larger bodies involved in this topic (yes, religeous, and political) because they're all fully connected. I attacked no person here. If you'resecure in your beliefs why attack me? Andy<img height="15" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" width="15" alt="image"><p><br></p>