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<blockquote> If I had kids I would not want them to see a gay people living next door</blockquote><font color="#0000FF" size="4">Why the heck not? Would you be afraid of your kids catching gay? It's not contagious, it's not even adisease. It's a way of life. It's sexual preference that makes people gay (or lesbians) they're just like the rest of us. My next door neighboursdo yard work, work on their cars, walk their dog, have full-time jobs, they do all the things that we do, the only difference is that they have sex with thesame gender. That's it. I don't care to see that or even think about it but I would never keep my kids from talking to our neighbours.<br><br><br>~Karen</font>

Every guy I know LOVES to watch videos of 2 women together...It seems to make them happy, so what's the point of getting all upset!<img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/roll.gif" alt="image">

i know i'm not being picked on...but it is my opinion and i don't see any hypocrisy. if you are gay...fine. just don't talk about around me cuz idon't want to hear it..it offends the hell out of me!!!...and 9 times out of 10 my kids are with me and they sure as hell don't need to hear it!! andwhat ever happened to majority rules?! California really screwed the pooch here and i'm quite certain the voters will blow the issue out of the water comeNovember.<br><br>and just for the record...watching two women together does nothing for me...strange huh. and also..a lesbian couple lives two houses down from me, they arevery nice and very respectful.

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Anita has hit on a very important topic; one that will only benefit all with further discussion! <img src="http://www.photobucket.com/albums/0703/NewfieRose/EMOTICONS/8276dd36.gif">

Well, in respose to that, it is true when it comes to alot of guys, but two women together doesn't do it for me either.

<blockquote> There are way more of them than there are of flaming gay guys or power lesbians... <br> should they not be allowed to marry? (Or reproduce? LOL)</blockquote>No Greg, they should not;)

<blockquote> So today same sex marriage is allowed in California. <br> The Californian voters voted 61% to maintain marriage as between one man and one woman. <br> The Supreme (in their own minds) Court overrode what the people want, and declared it unconstitutional... <br> I thought we were a representative democracy? <br> Get ready, this will be coming to your state soon. <br> I guess you can now marry your sister or brother if you have the desire. Or how about your mother? <br> Dog? Cat? Goat? <br> It's a very sad day indeed, in my opinion... <br> Makes you wonder why you even bother to vote... <br><br><br><br></blockquote> So to sum it up Yes it's a very sad day.....in my opinion also.......<br><br>and my Wife also Wonders why one even bothers to vote also........

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title"><strong class="quote-title">camarocrazy2</strong> wrote:</strong> <hr><blockquote> So today same sex marriage is allowed in California. <br> The Californian voters voted 61% to maintain marriage as between one man and one woman. <br> The Supreme (in their own minds) Court overrode what the people want, and declared it unconstitutional... <br> I thought we were a representative democracy? <br> Get ready, this will be coming to your state soon. <br> I guess you can now marry your sister or brother if you have the desire. Or how about your mother? <br> Dog? Cat? Goat? <br> It's a very sad day indeed, in my opinion... <br> Makes you wonder why you even bother to vote... <br><br><br><br></blockquote>So to sum it up Yes it's a very sad day.....in my opinion also....... <br><br> and my Wife also Wonders why one even bothers to vote also........ <br></blockquote><p><br>We have the same problem with assisted suicide, and medical marijuana, the people vote for it and big brother decides that he knows better. What happened to"Of the people, by the people and for the people? Don't get me wrong, were still the best country in the world, but we could use some major changesIMO. Michael</p>

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<blockquote> <font color="#0000FF" size="4"><font color="#0000FF" size="4">Why the heck not? Would you be afraid of your kids catching gay? It's not contagious, it's not even a disease. It's a way of life. It's sexual preference that makes people gay (or lesbians) they're just like the rest of us. My next door neighbours do yard work, work on their cars, walk their dog, have full-time jobs, they do all the things that we do, the only difference is that they have sex with the same gender. That's it. I don't care to see that or even think about it but I would never keep my kids from talking to our neighbours.</font></font></blockquote><br><br>A few things to ponder on...<br>So, say the gay neighbor asks your child to come in for some cookies and milk? Would your child go inside? With no one with him?<br>Say the neighbor has a child the same age as yours and a boy like yours, the neighbor boy asks your son if he can have a sleep over? Do you allow him to sleepover?<br>Say the Minister of your church is gay and a nice guy and lives just across the street from you, would you leave your children alone with him for any amount oftime at the church? Or would you allow your son to go over alone and visit with him?<br><br>I wonder if it would be ok if all of us "straight" people would be allowed to have a "straight American parade?" I wonder if there would beany protests?<br><br>I don't give a sh!t about what people do in their bedrooms(Lord knows I have done some things in there...) but when they flaunt the lifestyle, in public,that I don't agree with, DO NOT TELL ME I CANNOT VOICE MY OPINION!!!!!!!!!<br><br>Just a couple of thoughts...<br>

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Exactly Jeff! I am sick and tired of being told I am closed minded if I don't agree with everyone. It seems to me the people who claim we should betolerant of everyone do not tolerate differing opinions! It is easy to tolerate people you agree with!!

What "lifestyle" would that be Jeff?? Improper public contact makes everyone uncomfortable, go to any mall, beach, park or movie theatre and look atthe "young adults" pawing and shoving their tongues down each other's throats and every other feeling up that takes place like there is no onearound, is it ok because they are straight??<br><br>As for your minister comment? Have you been paying attention to what's been happening in the mainstream churches? We need to quit pointing out stereotypesand take a good look at every so-called lifestyle!!<br><br>Later, Dave

Wow Dave you get out a lot and seem to be where all the young people are??? I'm starting to worry.....<br><br><blockquote> pawing and shoving their tongues down each other's throats and every other feeling up that takes place like there is no one around, is it ok because they are straight??</blockquote>Someone should let them know Dave is watching.....<img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/sick.gif" alt="image"><br>

Uhhhhh............. Maybe you should get out and experience some outside activities Dan, life is more than websites!<br><br>Later, Dave

<blockquote> A few things to ponder on... <br> So, say the gay neighbor asks your child to come in for some cookies and milk? Would your child go inside? With no one with him? <br> Say the neighbor has a child the same age as yours and a boy like yours, the neighbor boy asks your son if he can have a sleep over? Do you allow him to sleep over? <br> Say the Minister of your church is gay and a nice guy and lives just across the street from you, would you leave your children alone with him for any amount of time at the church? Or would you allow your son to go over alone and visit with him?</blockquote><font color="#0000FF" size="4">Jeff are you being serious? They're GAY they're not PEDOPHILES!! I know my neighbours very well(they've lived next door to us for ten years) and if they invited my kids over for cookies and milk, as long as my kids told me ahead of time where theywere going, I'd be fine with it. It would be no different then them going to the other neighbour's house across the street, who they go to all thetime, to play with their daughter. If my gay neighbours had a son the same age as my son and he wanted a sleepover why would I say no? Are you implying his gayparents might molest my son? Or are you implying that the boy might try something with my son just because his parents are gay? Who's to say theheterosexual parents of the little girl across the street wouldn't molest him? They wouldn't and I'm not suggesting they would but to suggest thatbecause someone is gay that they would hurt children, Jeff, I can't believe you would think like that. One of the men is a teacher. He teaches highschoolmath. If your son had had a gay teacher in school, that you'd known about (maybe he did but you don't know it) would you have asked for him to changeclasses? By your reasoning, you're implying that gay men might molest little boys just because they're interested in men. I look after children for aliving Jeff. I'm heterosexual. Would you imply that I might molest the little boys I look after? It's the same thing.<br><br><br>~Karen</font>

OH poor Dave did I hit a cord....<br><br>David I do get out lots as I don't have a Job at the moment but don't worry about me I'm in good hands and I am getting out, I walk two or threemiles a day and I like to ride my bike too and I do all the shopping at my house so I get out lots <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/wink.gif" alt="image">....but thanks for the tip!! I will take a note..<br><br>P.s Dave I only play at one web site this one Oh and the other yuku hot wheels one I just got into but they don't seem to have as much traffic as we dohere.....<br><br>

Hmmm...... Funnel some of that energy into getting a job my man, keep in shape and maybe something will come along, good luck to ya!<br><br>Later, Dave

<p>Closedminded and narrowminded is thinking that gay = pedophile,<br>or that your children are going to ask you "uncomfortable" questions.<br>NOTHING you can say to your children make them want to do something they're not<br>wired to do anyway. Just ask Dick Cheney.<br><br>You don't have to agree with everyone else (a nonsense statement in and of itself),<br>and yes, you can voice your opinion, no matter how offensive, wrong, intolerant,<br>biased, hateful and hurtful it may be to SOMEone out there (both sides have that right)<br>but isn't it just better for all these children we're so allegedly worried about if we set<br>a better example and just LOVE one another??<br><br>...said the atheist, surprise, surprise.<br><br>As I read this thread and I'm truly trying to understand the objections that some<br>have to same sex marrige, what I see is total misunderstanding of the facts,<br>genuine ignorance, and assumnption.<br>You have a right to your opinion of course, but at least base it on the facts.<br>#1 - homosexuality is NOT a choice or a "lifestyle". It's hard wired into the brain,<br>in about 7 to 10% of ALL HIGHER MAMMALS, of which we humans are part.<br>There are gay dolphins, apes, dogs, etc etc.<br>#2 - homosexual adults are not interested in children at any greater rate per population than "straight" people who prey on kids. Gay does not equateto pedophile!!!<br>#3 - Setting good examples for children starts with RESPECT.<br>If <strong><em>you</em></strong> don't SHOW respect for same-sex couples, don't you think your kids will pick up on that?? Prejudice is LEARNED.<br><br>And all this nonsense about trying to make "intolerance" the baggage of the liberals...<br>give me a freakin' break. It's so thin, it can't hold up a paperclip.<br>Like I said, 5th grade. "Is not! Is so! Is not! Is so!" <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/eyes.gif" alt="image"><br>Let people live, and love. You hate them, and they'll hate you right back.<br>Show them some respect and some love, and you might just find, as I have,<br>that same sex couples (as neighbors) are often preferable to the garden variety straights.</p>

Karen, here in the U.S. sorry to say but yes it could happen because as a society we allow people to do things they should not so in there mind it's ok!!Look there gay and there married so yes it's ok, no?? I'm sooo confused...<br><br>Two Gay women just beat the living hell out of one of there sons so bad that the cops that went there could not even beleve what they had seen and what the gaywomen and done to this boy. they did things to him that I can not talk about here.<br><br>If you think I'm kidding you can check the local paper, the L.A. Times I think it was in the sunday paper and it was on the news.<br><br>Why did they do this??? come on people tell me why they did this why!!!!!!<br><br>Why did two gay women beat a young little boy so bad it made the L.A.P.D cops sick!! why......that's right it's ok to be gay.........BULL YOU ARE ALLSICK TO THINK IT"S OK TO BE GAY WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU!!<br><br><br>I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IN THE EARTH IS WRONG WITH YOU TO THINK IT IS OK TO BE GAY!!<br><br><br>Maybe I should just type word for work the story in the paper!! Oh wait that's just what two sick people did and not what all gay people would do!! DO YOUWANT TO WAIT AND FIND OUT,SHOULD MORE LITTLE KIDS SUFFER.................<br><br>

Wow.................. Where does a person even start with this? I think at 39 years of age, that dye has been cast, not much more can be done at thispoint........ wow.<br><br>Later, Dave

Greg-99, thank you so much, and amen! You're much better with words than I.<br><br>Greg-bug<br><br>edit: too funny, Dave - that's where I started out a long time ago in this thread - where does one begin?? I think one gives up and goes to sleep....

Dan,<br>Read this and understand!<br><br>The incident you describe is horrible, unforgivable, yes -<br>but it in NO WAY is representative of being gay.<br>(I haven't read about this so I am assuming that it's true, as you describe it. )<br>Don't you understand that the problem isn't that these women were gay,<br>but that they were violent??<br><br>When a straight man rapes a woman,<br>do you conclude that being straight is wrong,<br>or that being straight is to blame for the crime??<br>Of course not!!<br><br>It's astounding that you make that connection to homosexuality,<br>when there are just as many violent crimes per capita (if not more!)<br>in the heterosexual community as in any homosexual community.<br><br>It's you who is sick Dan. You.<br><br><br>

Thanks Greg I will schedule a doctors appointment in the A.M.......I thought I had a fever.....<br><br>but like you say lets just wait and find out....<br><br>I'm ready........

I am not sure who started the gay=pedophile comparison, but that is silly. As Greg said, the percentages of people prone to pedophilia are the same for gay orstraight.<br><br>I will say that liberals do preach tolerance of others and their lifstyles, which is great, BUT that also must include tolerating and respecting the views ofmore conservative people. I am tired of one sentence saying how accepting everyone and their particular way of life is important, and the very next sentencetrashing someone who disagrees. Selective tolerance does not seem correct to me.

Dan,<br>I'm talking about being sick with fear,<br>sick with hate, sick with prejudice.<br>The only kind of Doctor that can help that is a shrink,<br>and truthfully, I'm not a fan of them.<br>You have to admit however, that your previous post showed<br>you wearing your disgust of gays on your sleeve,<br>and you pretty much challenged anyone to tell you<br>why it's ok to be gay when you can cite an example of<br>two gay women severely beating a young boy.<br>Honestly, can't you see the fallacy in that??<br><br>It would be the same if I argued that being straight causes<br>*some* straight parents to do the horrible things we hear about on the news.<br>Fear and ignorance, hateful words poison the mind against others.<br>But get to know them, and they're just people like you and me.<br>The chances of you runing into a crazed violent gay person<br>are about 90% lower than the odds of running into a crazed violent straight person;<br>since only 10% of the population (maximum) is gay.<br><br>...but when it happens, you sure as shoot will hear about it on the news!<br>Why ... because it panders to the fears and prejudices of the majority, thus more ratings.<br>

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Karen,<br>You know exactly how I feel about you. My feelings haven't changed a bit!<br><br>Dan,<br>Did you forget to take your meds today?<br><br>Greg,<br>I cannot figure out if your comments were directed towards me. I hope not. If so, ok too.<br>All I did was post a few questions and then the hornets nest blossomed.<br><br>Just as I figured.<br><br>

Dan, do you remember Susan Smith? She drowned her two little boys by pushing her car into a lake while they were strapped in the backseat. She wasn't gay.Or the woman who drowned her five kids in the bathtub. She wasn't gay. To imply that being gay causes violence to children is very ignorant. Unfortunatelythere is violence towards children from all types of people, not just gays. ~Karen

<blockquote> The only kind of Doctor that can help that is a shrink, <br> and truthfully, I'm not a fan of them. <br><br></blockquote>I Second that!! I don't like them also.<br><br><blockquote> You have to admit however, that your previous post showed <br> you wearing your disgust of gays on your sleeve, <br> and you pretty much challenged anyone to tell you <br> why it's ok to be gay when you can cite an example of <br> two gay women severely beating a young boy. <br></blockquote>Greg I would be a lire if I said that it did not disgust me. Yes in so many words you could say there is disgust in my vines. But don't eventry to twist what I say in to what you want it to be. <br><br> Greg I have in all the days of reading your posts ever even tried to stand-up to you but this time with this subject even though I am not good at spelling,voicing my self , or expressing my self in this type of forum, I will with this subject do my best with my limited skills to express my belief and not let youtwist it(my words) as you so easily do with others.<br><br>So just back off and there is no need to cuss!!

<br>...done.<br><img src="http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif"> But I honestly have to turn in for the night.<br>2:21 AM here and I'm pretty beat.<br><br>All I can say is, try to let go of that "I hate them" feeling,<br>ask yourself why you feel that way, and truly see if there's any merit<br>to what has been typed here in support of the right of same sex couples to marry.<br>Is there anything here you've never thought of before?<br>Is there anything here that prompts you re-examine the thoughts you've held to this point?<br><br>If you can say "yes" to either question, you're growing, expanding.<br>You are more than you were.<br>If you answer "no", you're stuck in a place where hate and mistrust thrive.<br>That's not a good place to be for you, or those you mistrust.<br>Someone's got to make the first move to get to a better place,<br>because - and I can tell you this - gay people aren't going away.<br><br>Homosexuality poses absolutely no threat to anyone anywhere,<br>except those who want their world to be populated with<br>only those people most like themselves. Think about it.<br>After you get rid of the gays, then what other group<br>is next on the "do away with" list?<br><br>(And don't list a group consisting only of criminals and threats to the public).<br><img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/grin.gif" alt="image"><br>-G'nite, -Greg<br><br><br><br>

Yes Karen I do!!<br><br>These women did this to this boy because they don't like boys and yes it's not ok for me to lump all Gay people up in the same bucket, but this is justa taste is it not....I think it is.....and no I'm not happy about all the gay!!<br><br>I don't like it and I am not happy about it and would like to do all I can to stop it. '<br><br> To do so I need to talk about it with others and this is why I'm am expressing so much emotion about it!!<br><br>I really Really fill it is not a good thing for all of human race, and that is why I continue to stay here on this subject, it's not because I want to be acyber bully or I want to ague about stuff this is one subject I fill very very strong about.<br><br> So lets talk!!

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<blockquote> Greg I would be a lire if I said that it did not disgust me. Yes in so many words you could say there is disgust in my vines. <strong>But don't even try to twist what I say in to what you want it to be.</strong> <br><br> Greg I have in all the days of reading your posts ever even tried to stand-up to you but this time with this subject even though I am not good at spelling, voicing my self , or expressing my self in this type of forum, I will with this subject do my best with my limited skills to express my belief <strong>and not let you twist it(my words) as you so easily do with others.</strong> <br><br> So just back off and there is no need to cuss!!</blockquote>(emphasis mine)<br><br>Dan .. .what am I twisting??<br>And you can stand up to me (as you put it) anytime you want,<br>just chime right in! I'll do the same, and there you have a debate.<br>And as far as "cussing", I hardly think my use of the sh*t word counts,<br>and it certainly wasn't directed towards you or anyone in particular,<br>but I'll be happy - tomorrow - to continue (for a bit; I've pretty much said all I need to say) without the use of any four-letter "cusswords" that might offend you.<br>Just had to add that before I turn in.<br>Goodnight again! -Greg<br>

Oh don't get me wrong Greg it's just like I said I just don't want the mods to pull the thread!! I can cuss like a High school kid!! It makes nodiff to me I just don't see a need for it.<br><br>come on Greg.....<br><br>Have a good night!! I'm going to hang out and see if I can learn anymore!!<br><br>

Scott Jones, how DARE you to equate gay marriage to incest and bestiality! You party at someone's home and call them your friend, yet you demean theirrelationship with a significant other? This is how you treat someone who opens their home to you? How bad do you treat people you don't like?<br><br>Yeah, you, Scott. The same guy who pissed up a storm over people coming to your house and then stabbing you in the back. You are no better than the guy whostayed at your home then betrayed you online, and took pictures of himself sticking a Peeping Bomb in his butt crack, poking fun at you.<br><br>In a later post, you say this:<br><blockquote> Gosh, all I was doing was pointing out how some activist Judges overrode what the California people want, and that is to recognize marriage between a man and a woman... <br> The Judges STOLE our vote...plain and simple...STOLE it.</blockquote><br>Oh bullcrap! Re-read what you wrote in your original post.<br><br>Dan, it is people like you who cause people like me to purposefully kiss another person of the same sex in front of you. On a personal level, I don't carefor public displays of affection beyond holding hands, hugging and the occasional quick peck kiss (no tongue!), but for you to say that someone elsedoesn't have the same rights YOU do is wrong. PERIOD.<br><br>You base everything on your belief in your god. Remember, Dan, not everyone else shares the same religious beliefs as you and it is not your place to tell MEthat I am not allowed to have sexual feelings for another person!<br><br>So... stop it, stop it, stop it, just bloody stop it with the religious crap. Every time you try to shove your religion down my throat, the more you will getthrown back in your face.<br><br>6pak69 Mike, always there with your ignorant views. It was expected, but this time you went beyond ignorance to the point of sheer stupidity. True, legal gaymarriage comes with baggage; that much I will agree with you. There's that nasty divorce issue that can come with it, but that's as far as my agreementwith you goes. Gay couples already adopt children all over this nation, as well as many others. You make it sound like we're all out to infect childrenwith our homosexuality, as though it's a disease. Many of us share the same general value systems that you do, and in many cases, I venture to say a morewholesome set of values. Certainly, I don't see homosexuals raising children to be intolerant fanatics like you, who believe that their way is the onlyway.<br><br>Rob (Deputy Rob): I agree with you! I don't want anyone's sexuality shoved in my face either. I tolerate straight people's displays of theirsexuality in public. I think it's tasteless for people to tongue wrestle in public, regardless of their sexuality.<br><br><blockquote> <h3 class="quote-title">camarocrazy2 said:</h3> <hr> An example of Moral and Social Decay</blockquote><br>Just when I thought you couldn't get more ignorant, you come up with fecal matter like that. If you want to play timelines with moral decay, take note ofchanges in our society that began when mothers (and some fathers) were forced into raising children on their own. Look to when women (and again, some men)started having to work two or more jobs to afford a roof over their and their children's heads, food on the table, etc.<br><br>If you want to blame anyone for lack of morality, blame your fellow men who spent enough time to get laid and produce a child, then bailed, leaving allresponsibility to women. It has nothing to do with race, either, just in case you want to use that as a cop-out. Divorce rates between heterosexuals have beenat all-time highs for many years now.<br><br>Tell me, Dan, how hard is it for you to uphold being so much holier than everyone else? How often do you speak out against other men for being around longenough to create a life, then completely abandon that life, expecting the woman to take the blame, shame and all responsibility for that life? What type ofladder do you use to get up on that high horse of yours?<br><br>Greg (99Octane). Love of my life. Thank you for your sensibility and unfailing logic and reason. You touched on a subject that is a peeve of mine - flamingqueens (and kings) who feel it necessary to be all "in your face" about things. I dislike it, but I understand <em>why</em> many behave in such amanner. It is because of people like Scott, who equate homosexuality with every perversion known, and Dan, who can't manage to think of anyone else'sfeelings but his own. How often do we see muscle-bound men going around wearing "muscle shirt" tank tops, flexing at every minute opportunity? Howoften do we see women wearing barely-there clothing with their butt cracks showing or displaying their breasts just short of their nipples being visible? I seethat the same way as I do the raving queens and "diesel dykes." It's a way of getting attention.<br><br>Michael. Touché, my friend! Oh noes! Jack Kevorkian is on the loose! Everybody run! He may be packing a joint!<br><br><blockquote> So, say the gay neighbor asks your child to come in for some cookies and milk? Would your child go inside? With no one with him?</blockquote><br>I'd question <strong>any</strong> neighbour who would ask my child over for milk and cookies. The only people these days who I'd even think of trustingsomething like that with would be if I lived out in the country and knew them for a long time.<br><br><blockquote> I wonder if it would be ok if all of us "straight" people would be allowed to have a "straight American parade?"</blockquote><br>There already are. St Patrick's Day parade (remember the big brouhaha over disallowing gays to participate?). Oh, and let's not forget KKK and whitesupremacist rallies and parades, which are PROTECTED by the law. I don't think they allow us queer folk in on their fun.<br><br>Karen, you have to remember how people have selective memories about certain things, such as paedophile priests, which the Catholic Church did all they couldto sweep under the rug. I have known one gay priest in my life. He was with the same partner for over 40 years and purposefully, because of knowing how peopleare distrusting of gays, would never spend time alone with children. The man died on Christmas day in a local gay bar. The truth of the story was changed forpublic consumption. The reason he was at a gay bar on Christmas Day? He was reaching out to people who spend the day alone, because their families havedisowned them and they feel they aren't worthy of love.<br><br><blockquote> <h3 class="quote-title">camarocrazy said:</h3> <hr> Two Gay women just beat the living hell out of one of there sons so bad that the cops that went there could not even beleve what they had seen and what the gay women and done to this boy. they did things to him that I can not talk about here. <br><br> If you think I'm kidding you can check the local paper, the L.A. Times I think it was in the sunday paper and it was on the news.</blockquote><br>Wrong, son. If you state it, it's up to YOU to provide proper citation, not be lazy and expect others to look it up. There's a saying in some circleson the internet: proper proof or it didn't happen.<br><br>If this indeed did happen, consider this: how often do you read about similar acts perpetrated by heterosexual parents/adults? I am willing to bet that,percentage-wise, it's far more likely to occur in a heterosexual household.<br><br>Dan, if you really want to learn more and understand, I will take the time to find a web site that is dedicated to helping young people deal with theirhomosexuality, where you can read story after story of young people who feel suicidal because so many people are "down on them" for being gay, aswell as numerous writings by gay teenagers who have spent time living in the streets because their OWN PARENTS threw them out of the house for being gay. Thenmaybe you can come and talk to me about morality.

Oh look I'm not sleepy and my doctor is not in.............<br><br><br><blockquote> You base everything on your belief in your god. Remember, Dan, not everyone else shares the same religious beliefs as you and it is not your place to tell ME that I am not allowed to have sexual feelings for another person! <br><br></blockquote>I'm not really a church going person, but do you really really think that god put that on a man so he could do that to a man or a woman to awoman?? You know what I am saying, I'm trying to keep it clean cuz I want to keep talking about this so I can learn..... You just don't need to use itfor that so stop just stop it!!<br><br><blockquote> Tell me, Dan, how hard is it for you to uphold being so much holier than everyone else? How often do you speak out against other men for being around long enough to create a life, then completely abandon that life, expecting the woman to take the blame, shame and all responsibility for that life? What type of ladder do you use to get up on that high horse of yours? <br><br><br></blockquote>uphold being so much holier than everyone else? sister I'm not at all and never said I was, i'm not saying I would foat but I am notholier that is for damn sure and I will never say I am...!!<br><br>I don't have a latter very tall never did and I'm not going to start to argue very guy does the right thing when they get a girl pregnant........didyou not see that new movie Juno??<br><br>Stuff is not going well socially or morally so why make it worse my giving the thumbs up to gay marriage???<br><br><br>And as for the rest of your quotes and such..........<br><br>it's not that I want to stop people from being gay, I want to stop the gay from being in them.<br>

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">camarocrazy2 wrote:</strong> <hr> I'm not really a church going person, but do you really really think that god put that on a man so he could do that to a man or a woman to a woman?? You know what I am saying, I'm trying to keep it clean cuz I want to keep talking about this so I can learn..... You just don't need to use it for that so stop just stop it!! <br><br> I don't have a latter very tall never did and I'm not going to start to argue very guy does the right thing when they get a girl pregnant........did you not see that new movie Juno?? <br> Stuff is not going well socially or morally so why make it worse my giving the thumbs up to gay marriage??? <br><br> it's not that I want to stop people from being gay, I want to stop the gay from being in them. <br></blockquote><p>1) If you think that all there is to love is whether Tab A goes into Slot B, you are sorely mistaken. And again, you forget that not everyone believes inyour god. You expect homosexuals to keep their sexuality to themselves, then how about you keeping your religious beliefs to yourself? Keep in mind thatprevious relgious "discussions" didn't go very well and usually end up locked by a moderator.<br><br>2) Do you believe everything you see in movies or on TV? Dave is right; you really do need to get out occasionally.<br><br>3) How exactly will allowing homosexuals to marry make society worse? Do you have a solution for getting deadbeat parents to support their children?<br><br>4) Stop gay from being in them? Dude, WTF are you smoking? Seriously! Do you actually believe that gays can "become" straight? Do you believe thatblack people can "become" white (or brown, or sallow)?<br><br>Are you losing sleep over this thread or because you know that there are guys out there fooling around with other guys, and women kissing other women? </p>

WHEW!!! WHO WANTS ICE CREAM?!?!?!<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>(ducks and scrambles back under his rock)<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>if only I could relay the abuse I've been subjected to from a very straight woman... but I wont speak ill of the dead