My New Way Of Promoting Ebay

I missed it Mark.... Hopefully ebay will wake up..... <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/ohwell.gif" alt="image">

How long did it last? its been removed now. was it a quicky??

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">wishihad wrote:</strong> <hr> HA! I just did a couple listings on the bay. And used a little less to the point option. And also gave paul over at TTP a BUMP. If ya would care to see just search redline mustang. AND if anybody is interested while you can still get any type payment. Ebay is having a 35 cent special for listing with BIN OBO. listed 1 at 175 and 1 at 200 for 35 cents.</blockquote>HOLY COW! They already got in my listings and ended them!! LOL everybody needs to list something with the unhappy feelings about the new paymentdeal!!<br><br>

I think Marks almost made it a full day. I was surprised to see it still there this morning...<br>

Ebay finally removed it, but I think some people were unhappy with the picture and thats why its gone, not becasue of ebay slander. STill way to go Mark<img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/wink.gif" alt="image"><br>Eric

hmm, as soon as i come up with a new picture idea i'll relist it. here is what ebay sent me. they are such idiots<br><br><br><font face="Arial, Verdana" size="2">Dear sheer--terror(maddmaxx426@aol.com),<br><br>You recently listed the following Fixed Price listing:<br><br>190252659034 - COMING SOON NO MORE PAPER PAYMENTS=NAZI EBAY<br><br><br>The listing was removed because it violated the eBay Search and Browse Manipulation policy. The violation occurred when you included the following informationin your listing:<br><br>Listed in category: Toys &amp; Hobbies &gt; Diecast, Toy Vehicles &gt; Cars, Trucks-Diecast &gt; Hot Wheels &gt; Vintage (Pre-1980) &gt; Red Line</font><br>

Unreal, lol, any bs they can make up to end your auction.<br>Eric

I have to agree with Ed and Sid.<br>I feel it was wrong using the icon Mark used. Comparing the nazi regime to the way ebay does business is down right disrespectful to many and simply wrong.<br><br>I like the idea of paypal being the sole source of payment. I shy away from auctions that don't take paypal. 4% is a small price to pay for the exposureand the world wide market you get from selling items on ebay.<br><br>My brother pays more than 6,000 a month lease for his business to operate on the property he leases. Every 30 days baby! Ebay costs much less than that and isa much larger selling audience. For 4%...I will pay it any day of the week.<br><br>Using paypal, you get you money much faster and you don't have to wonder when the money order or check was put in the mail. For me, I want my money as fastas I can get it. I have waited up to 4 weeks for some payments to come via snail mail and that is not acceptable. People who don't have a paypal accountcan be sketchy at times because a paypal account at least tells you they have bank account.<br>

<font face="Helvetica" color="#336699" size="5">Paypal is NOT safe for sellers. If you send an item to an unconfirmed address and the item is lost, the buyergets a full refund and the seller loses the item. So far, only the USA, Canada and the UK has confirmed addresses. <br><br>It's not right that paypal will protect a Non-USA customer before a seller in the USA but that is what they do. I sent a box to Mexico and it got lost. The buyer didn't know how to file a claim and of course, I did not tell him. Had he known how to file a claim, I would've lost the money and the item.Not fair.<br><br>Also 4% can add up pretty fast. By the way , all of you paypal lovers, what do you think is going to happen to shipping rates once the switch goes over. Shipping is going to more expensive and also starting prices will be higher to cover the rates. Paypal is not free. You may think that it's free but itisn't . Just think about the shipping rates that you have been paying lately.<br><br>As for people w/o bank accts. being sketchy at best... who cares? As long as they pay promptly, I don't care what they do. The point is thatPaypal/ebay is forcing sellers to accept paypal and it is going to cost them money. It is also going to be excluding alot of people that do not have paypalaccts. There are millions of people out there that do not have bank accts. for whatever reason. On this alone, I'm surprised that no one has sued paypalfor descrimination.<br><br><br><br>maribell</font>

Still...the % ebay charges is much less than leasing a building and/or property to run your business with the world as your buyers? Are you kidding me? I thinkit all adds up to 10% or so.<br><br>Real business owners wished to the Lord above that 10% was all they had to pay for overhead to run their business. It is absolutely the cheapest way to run abusiness, if you wanna call it that.<br><br>If sellers don't like it...sell elsewhere...it really is simple as that.

yeah, yeah, paypal is trying to fleece the world....is anyone aware of how many lawsuits have already been filed against ebay/paypal due to problems not onlyfrom unlicensed product sales, but MANY for problems of fraud arising from check and money order payments? if ebay is getting rich off the paypal transactionsthen why are they preparing to lay off 10% of their work force? they are making these changes because they have to in order to survive. electronic paymentprovides accountability for all transactions, period. i have a good friend who is an accounts manager at paypal here in omaha and she tells me horror storiesDAILY about the fraud, theft, and trademark infringement she has to deal with. i don't think a lot of people really grasp just how many thousands ofpredators WORLDWIDE make a living off of ripping people off through ebay, and 90% of them do it through money order and check scams...<br><br>THE REASON WHY PAYPAL ONLY DEALS WITH CONFIRMED ADDRESSES IS TO PROTECT THE SELLER! IF THEY DID'NT HAVE THAT POLICY DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY MILLIONSOF DOLLARS WOULD BE LOST FROM PEOPLE USING STOLEN CREDIT CARDS AND CHECKS TO PURCHASE ITEMS AND SEND IT TO AN ADDRESS WHERE THEY CAN RECEIVE THE GOODS? THEREIS A VERY GOOD REASON WHY PAYPAL ONLY CONFIRMS ADDRESSES IN CERTAIN COUNTRIES. MAINLY, BECAUSE MAIL SERVICE TO MANY COUNTRIES (INCLUDING MEXICO) IS UNRELIABLEAT BEST, NEARLY GUARANTEEING PROBLEMS WITH TRANSACTIONS FOR EITHER THE BUYER, SELLER, OR BOTH, SUCH AS THE EXAMPLE CITED IN AN EARLIER POST. EBAY IS ABUSINESS, NOT A CHARITY OR PUBLIC SERVICE. IT IS NOT THEIR CONCERN NOR OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE SERVICE TO UNRELIABLE COUNTRIES JUST SO THEY CAN BE FAIR TOEVERYONE. THAT IS NOT DISCRIMINATION, THAT IS BUSINESS!<br><br>i have sold 400 cars on ebay in the last 6 months and not lost ONE DOLLAR to refunds. why? because i only accept paypal, i only ship to the continental u.s., iaccurately describe and photograph my cars, and i package with the utmost care and ship fast. if you are willing to have wider selling parameters in order toget a couple more bucks out of an item then a seller must realize they are also increasing their risk of problems, pure and simple. ebay did'nt fill theworld with thieves and con artists, but they have inadvertently given them a great home to commit their crimes in complete anonymity. this is the source ofnearly all ebay and paypal's woes. does'nt anyone think that maybe, just maybe, ebay was aware of the fact that their policy changes would pi$$ offthousands of customers, and cost them untold millions in business? do you think that a company that has had so much success and growth does'nt employpeople who could forecast how people would react to these changes? the bottom line is they had no choice but to make these changes to protect ebayers fromthemselves and to close the door on future legal problems stemming from paper transactions.<br><br>i just think its hilarious to hear people say "i sent a gucci purse to an address in somalia and it never got there! now i'm out the money i got paidfor the item just because the customer never received it! that's not fair! its paypal's fault!" are you kidding me? how is it someone else'sfault if a person chooses to send items to underdeveloped countries rife with crime and corruption, not to mention laughable postal systems, and the item neverarrives? if you're willing to take the risk for the extra cash then you should be comfortable with losing your money should it not work out.<br><br>everyone wants to blame ebay/paypal for their bad experiences but i wonder how many of them stop to wonder if maybe they did'nt make a bad choice in howthey sold an item. many times, people lose money to refunds because they worry more about squeezing every dollar out of an item and are willing to shipanywhere, for any type of payment, instead of thinking about the risk involved with the transaction, they assume its ebay's responsibility to cover theira$$ so they should be able to send anything anywhere without worry. the reality is, most of the people out there buying items then filing claims are doing sodeliberately because they know the loopholes in the system and seek out people who run auctions with their pants down, so to speak. thousands of people MAKETHEIR LIVINGS scamming people on ebay. as a necessary means of survival, ebay and paypal are trying to close those loopholes, even at the cost of losing partof its customer base. a business has to do what it has to do to survive, plain and simple.<br><br>i realize it may seem as though i'm a paid spokesperson for epal, but i assure i'm not, lol. i have a very close friend who is privy to the innerworkings of the companies in question and we speak almost daily about her job. i am trying to pass on this perspective from the inside so everyone can betterunderstand whats going on. not many people in the public at large have access to this type of info because ebay does'nt advertise their legal issues, nordo they give reason for their changes, because they understand it would be even worse for business if they came out and said "hey guys, we're makingthese changes because we are being sued up the wazoo and our customers are losing millions to fraud". my friend worries daily about losing her job becauseof all the problems ebay already has due to legal issues, and is certain the company will eventually fail altogether based on the current direction of thecompany.<br><br>so there you have it, some food for thought to maybe balance out a rather one sided thread. i'm not taking anyone's side here, and i don't think myviews are any better than any one else's, but i thought i would throw this info out there because in all this complaining about ebay i'm reading veryfew people take into account the big picture of the situation. its all too easy to wave your arms around around and shout about big evil companies sticking itto the little guy, but no one stops to consider all the little guys who have been sticking it to ebay because they offer too many freedoms in their businesspractices up to this point. ebay is not a public service, they are a business and yes, they are in it for the money. they will do what they have to do tosurvive and keep making money because that's what business do. we all have the choice to take our business elsewhere if we don't agree with how acompany is run, don't we? <br><br>one last thing in response to an earlier claim that shipping rates are going to go up because of these changes: that is a complete fallacy. shipping rates aredetermined by postal carriers, not paypal. they don't make any money off of shipping whatsoever. as a matter of fact, it is cheaper to pay for shippingthrough paypal then it is to pay directly at the post office or ups. usps even provides free delivery confirmation for labels purchased online, where you haveto pay extra for it at the post office.<br><br>troy

<font color="#330066">Troy ,I agree with many of your points. But the problem is that there are many decent , honest, hardworking people on Paypal and nowthey are forced to accept this form of payment only. I will take a negative before I ship to Mexico or Belgium or somalia. etc. I have a block on my paypalacct. that I don't take unconfirmed payments and they still managed to by-pass the block. Why , because paypal sets it up for them to still proceed withthe payment. I then cancel the payment and of course, the buyer goes ballistic and doesn't understand why I did that...<br><br> If a seller has been on ebay 10 years and they are good (actually, I think that I bleeping good at 5400+ feedbacks), then they shouldn't be forced tochange. I take it on a lot of things but I won't take it on certain items like unsealed models. I take a lot of pictures but I can not going to buildthe damn thing inorder to guarantee that it's complete. I will state that I can't be sure if its complete. I don't want to take a chance thatsomeone will remove a part and then file a claim w/ paypal... On heavy items, I am afraid that they will NOT want the item and will return it and then I losethe shipping. I feel that I have earned the right to decide which payment I want for a certain item.<br><br><br>It's great that you Troy haven't had a problem. Great that you take good pictures and list accurate descriptions. But all it takes is for 1dishonest person to say that you shipped them an empty box or switched the car or they claim that it's a repaint and then what. Will paypal side with youor them? What if the person had the same car that they bought from you but in bad shape and they claim that you sent them that car instead of a nice one. Paypal exposes the seller to dirty , dishonest buyers. You should have to right to decide if you will take paypal on that Olds 442 or not. Not paypal.<br><br>That is the problem here. If there is fraud in electronics and designers stuff, then make those sellers Paypal only and leave the poor saps like me ( andMark alone......)<br><br>maribell</font>

<font color="#003333" size="4">Here's another problem with this new Paypal change... The post office and the banks will lose $$$$$. Now, don't thinkfor a second that your mail will be delivered faster with less moneyorders and checks being mailed out... My post office had 2 clerks retire in the last yearand they weren't replaced! As the post office is losing millions of dollars due to electronic payments, they aren't replacing many of theiremployees. I have a friend who works in a postal processing facility and she says that there is almost no first class mail anymore. She rarely getsovertime. My brother is a mailman in Florida and he too says that there isn't much overtime now due to electronic payments. (he hates that I pay all mybills online..)<br><br>So Anita , see if your union can fight this w/ paypal. <br><br>Let paypal/ebay modify their rules and make the bad sellers and the new ones and those selling Gucci, electronics , etc. be the paypal only sellers and leaveMark, and me and the others that posted here alone....<br><br><br>maribell</font>

<font color="#FF0000">Troy, when I said that that shipping rate will go up , I meant that now the few sellers that ship at exact cost will have to add a"handling charge." These people now have to make up the 4 to 5% in fees that they have to use for paypal. I'm on my 3rd printer now thanks topaypal! I don't charge exact shipping anymore. Thanks to paypal. I add a dollar handling fee to all transactions , thanks to paypal....<br><br>There are more costs to the seller when you print online for those that didn't know. I must go through 2 packs of printer ink per month. Yes, now youget a little break on the shipping fees when you print online (only on priority mail.) Scotch tape, at least 10 rolls per month. I once ordered thoseadhesive shipping labels for paypal too and those cost me money too.<br>It can also be a bit time consuming printing up the labels sometimes. I do it pretty fast now but at first , it took me a bit of time and I made mistakes andhad to void the labels. <br><br>Paypal needs to make changes to protect the sellers. That is my beef with them. Now , just because a person says that an item didn't arrive, they get anautomatic refund.. I don't so.<br><br>maribell<br><br></font>

Jeff, we are not talking about business owners, and of course they wish there expenses were that cheap, but they also have a building, rent or mortagage ,other bills , supplies, etc, but on ebay, you cannot compare that to a real business, its just plain stupid. We are talking about the sellers who occasionallysell on ebay and why should they have to get hit with fees ranging from 9-14 percent, its just ridicoulous. And for the record, paypal is not 100 percent safe,I have been screwed on paypal and know plenty others as well, so its not the best payment method, still a good old money order is, and if you worried about theseller, spent another 5 bucks and you got signature or delievery confirmation, even safer.<br>Eric

<br>I have been selling on ebay a ton more the last few months. I have sold over 100 very collectable record albums. And, by the way, I have shipped them to 16different countries and not lost one or had one problem.<br>My main reason for responding is that everyone keeps saying that you have to accept Paypal payments and pay all these extra paypal fees. That is absolutelyfalse. What they have said is:<ul><li>Direct credit or debit card payment via a merchant credit card account</li> <li>PayPal</li> <li>ProPay</li> <li>Payment on pick-up</li></ul><p>I don't know anything about Propay and wouldn't expect a casual seller to set up a merchant account. But I have heard that you can set up anaccount at most banks so that credit card payments can be sent directly to your account. <br>Ebay has also said that if you have a customer that you have dealt with before that does not want to send electronic payments than exceptions can be made(but Iam sure that won't be so easy to get that exception).<br>I do agree that Ebay is probably going to hurt themselves with all these changes they have made recently but just thought I should mention this in case someoneactually thought Paypal was the absolute only payment method accepted.<br><br>Chris<br></p>

<p><font color="#330033">With the exception of pickup, each one of those will cost the sellers money. Keep in mind, the more fees a seller pays, the higherthe starting prices or reserves or shipping fees. That is a fact. I just read up on propay and the fees are more than paypal.. There is even a fee to getyour money sent to your checking account! and if there is a chargeback, the seller is automatically charged a fee. Ouch. <br><br><br>I also had an auction closed because I wrote that I accept cash. It was for a cheap item, a bumper sticker and the total w/ shipping would've been lessthan 5 bucks. I restarted the auction and spelled cash as KASH and I used a buy it now and the auction sold before ebay caught on.. and yes, the buyersent cash. SO be creative and mispell it.. Make ebay work their computers to catch you. use greenbacks, cassssh , etc. What works one day may notwork the next day.<br><br>As for my history on paypal.. only about 6-7 items were lost in 10 years. Not bad but just the threat of a chargeback bothers me. So if you have had success,great for you. If the item is lost, you can pretty much bet that the buyer will file a claim.<br><br>Maribell</font></p>

<blockquote> <font color="#330033"><font color="#330033">If the item is lost, you can pretty much bet that the buyer will file a claim.</font></font></blockquote><font color="#0000FF" size="4">I don't understand this. This is the reason post offices offer insurance on packages so if it gets damaged orgoes missing, the buyer gets their money back. If the buyer chooses not to buy insurance then it's on them if the package gets lost or damaged. How canpaypal just refund them their money, no questions asked, if insurance wasn't purchased??? In my eight years of buying on ebay I have had three or fouritems go missing. Out of all of them, none had insurance on them. Not once did I file a claim with paypal to get my money back. Why not? Because it was MYFAULT for not buying insurance. The items weren't big $$ items anyway, so I felt insurance wasn't necessary. I'd contact the sellers to find outwhen they shipped (a couple of times the seller had completely forgot to send it!) but I reassured them that it was my fault for not buying insurance and thatI didn't expect a refund of any kind. Why should I? They did their part, they sent it out, they can't control what happens to it after it leaves theirhands. I don't understand why paypal accepts claims of lost or damaged items. They need to tell the buyers to take it up with their post office, that ifinsurance was paid then they'll get their money back and if it wasn't paid then they're S.O.L.<br><br><br>~Karen</font>

maribell, thanks for sharing your points and counterpoints. its nice to be able to share differing opinions without getting angry about it...<br>i too, am very familiar with the expenses incurred to ship items. i have a closet full of blue painters tape, packing tape, protecto paks, and bubble wrap toprove it, lol. it does add up, that's for sure. my approach to shipping is to set out to break even, not making or losing any money, and i factor the costof materials to ship into that rate. i personally don't figure the 4% into my shipping costs, i just eat that because its not fair to the buyer in myopinion, though i'm sure many feel otherwise. i'm okay with the 4% cut because of the time it saves me, pure and simple. you gotta spend it to make it.you are probably right though, some people will raise their shipping costs because of this i suppose, but if that's the case, there's not much you cando about it except pass on the auction....oh, and i hear you about the cost of printer ink! here's a great tip though, if you look on ebay you can find inkrefill kits for dirt cheap! with the refill kits you can reuse your existing ink cartridges indefinitely! not sure if you already knew that but i thoughti'd share. i crapped my pants last time i spent $68 for 4 new ink cartridges, that's when a friend told me about refilling the old ones...<br><br><br>HERE IS SOME GOOD INFO IN REGARDS TO KAREN'S LAST POST:<br><br>IT IS NOT PAYPAL'S POLICY TO REFUND MONEY ON THE FLY LIKE HAPPENS TO SO MANY PEOPLE. WHEN THIS OCCURS IT IS THE CHOICE OF THE INDIVIDUAL ACCOUNT AGENT THATTHE CLAIM FILER IS DEALING WITH. MY FRIEND AT PAYPAL TOLD ME THAT MANY OF THESE ACCOUNT AGENTS WILL CREDIT A CLAIM NO QUESTIONS ASKED A GOOD PORTION OF THETIME. WHY, YOU ASK? SO THAT THEY CAN GET HIGHER CUSTOMER SATISFACTION RATINGS ON THEIR PERSONAL WORK RECORD! PAYPAL DOES FOLLOW UP SURVEYS FOR A CERTAINPERCENTAGE OF CLAIMS FILED, AND IN THOSE SURVEYS, THE CLAIM FILER IS ASKED ABOUT THE SERVICE OF THE AGENT. ALL AGENTS KNOW THIS AND MANY ARE INCLINED TO GRANTA REFUND JUST TO GET THAT POSITIVE FEEDBACK ON THEIR RECORD! WHATS MORE, THESE AGENTS ARENT JUST SCREWING SELLERS, THEY ARE SCREWING PAYPAL JUST AS BAD, ASTHEY FREELY GIVE PAYPAL'S OWN MONEY BACK TO CUSTOMERS WHEN IT CAN'T BE GOTTEN FROM THE SELLER!! VERY SAD, BUT VERY TRUE. MY FRIEND IS A VERYCONSCIENTIOUS PERSON AND THIS PROBLEM WITHIN PAYPAL BOTHERS HER DEEPLY. SHE IS CONSTANTLY HAVING TO REVIEW AND CORRECT THESE REFUNDS, BUT SHE SAYS THIS ISSUEIS WIDESPREAD THROUGHOUT THE COMPANY. THAT IS WHY IT STILL GOES ON SO MUCH. ITS NOT COMPANY POLICY, ITS THE INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEES WHO THINK OF NOTHING MORE THANCLOCKING IN, CLOCKING OUT, GETTING A PAYCHECK, AND EEKING THEIR WAY UP THE CORPORATE LADDER. KIND OF IRONIC THAT PAYPALS CUSTOMER SURVEYS, WHICH ARE SUPPOSEDTO MONITOR THE QUALITY OF THEIR SERVICE, ACTUALLY PROMOTE CORRUPTION AND LAZINESS WITHIN THE COMPANY IN ORDER TO GET POSITIVE REVIEWS ON THOSE SURVEYS. SADLYIT MAKES SENSE IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT BECAUSE NO CLAIM FILER IS GOING TO GIVE AN AGENT A GOOD REVIEW IF THEY REFUSE THE REFUND, WILL THEY? KIND OF A NO WINSITUATION...<br><br>ALAS, THERE ARE THINGS YOU CAN DO SHOULD YOU GET SCREWED BY ONE OF THESE AGENTS IN A REFUND SITUATION. FIRST, YOU HAVE TO ACT FAST, FAST, FAST! SECOND, INTHESE SITUATIONS, CALL PAYPAL, DO NOT MESS WITH EMAIL. MORE THAN LIKELY YOU WILL GET SENT TO SOME HALF WIT IN THE PHILLIPINES CALL CENTER. DON'T WASTE YOURTIME WITH THEM! ASK TO BE CONNECTED TO THE "EXECUTIVE ESCALATIONS DEPARTMENT". DON'T LET THE AGENTS TELL YOU NO. DEMAND TO TALK TO THE EEDEPARTMENT. THIS WILL GET YOU TRANSFERRED BACK TO THE STATES AND TO AN ENGLISH SPEAKING AGENT. ONE STEP CLOSER. IF THIS AGENT IS NO HELP, ASK TO TALK TO THEIRSUPERVISOR. KEEP BADGERING THEM UNTIL YOU GET SOMEONE WHO WILL LISTEN. THEY ARE FEW, BUT THEY ARE OUT THERE, AND MOST OF THEM ARE AT THE TOP OF THE ACCOUNTSFOOD CHAIN, SO THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE TO REACH TO RESOLVE AN ISSUE WHERE A REFUND IS ISSUED WITH INSUFFICIENT REASON. I KNOW, I KNOW, ITS A HUGE PAIN IN THEA$$ AND A LOT OF TIME INVOLVED, BUT IF YOU FEEL YOU WERE HOSED THEN ITS WORTH IT.<br><br>TROY

<font color="#003333">Karen, you should be cloned. All bidders should be like you on ebay but unfortunately, they aren't. If all bidders were like you,Ebay wouldn't even have a PROBLEM SOLVING DEPARTMENT!<br><br> They will file claim.. most of them. Even if you send them a copy of the postal receipt, they will still file a claim. Paypal doesn't automaticallyrefund their money.... but what if they call their credit card and the item in question was an expensive redline (Olds 442 for example..) In less then 24hours, the total amount is back in the bidders charge acct. Then of course, paypal will try and get it from the seller.<br><br>That is the problem w/ paypal. A seller is always exposed to a chargeback. Always! That is why , I only list cheap items and when I list something that Ithink may be risky, I won't take paypal on it. <br><br>Sure paypal does save time often. But that choice should be left to the seller if they want to drive to the bank to deposit a check or if they prefer losing4% .<br><br>I am seriously considering selling an expensive redline and I will not take paypal on it. The paypal fee would be in excess of 16.00. I can drive to my bankin a Hummer H1 loaded with missiles and soldiers and it wouldn't cost me 16.00 in gas. My bank is very, very close. The choice should be left up to theseller.<br><br><br>INSURANCE..... This is truly scary for all of you that truly love paypal 100% all the way and like this change..... If the del. confirmation shows that theitem was delivered, then the post office will NOT pay! So if you are shipping to an apartment building, I would suggest SIGNED DELIVERY CONFIRMATION instead. The mailman can drop off a box anywhere . So if someone else picks it up, the rightful owner didn't get it. This happened to me 2 times this year. Thankfully, both bidders were morons. They filed the claim with paypal and both times , they let the 20 day period pass without escalating the claim. Bothbought insurance but the post office would not pay the claim since del. confirmation showed that it was delivered. Both lived in apartment buildings. In 1case , the address was NOT confirmed. Had they filed the claim, I would have lost the money. That's why I don't ship to unconfirmed addressesanymore regardless of the bidders feedback.<br><br><br>Maribell<br><br></font>

<blockquote> have to get hit with fees ranging from 9-14 percent, its just ridicoulous.</blockquote>Eric... <br>9% - 14% ? Where did you come up with 14% ?

Hey Jeff,<br>I have paid anywhere from 9-14 percent maybe a little more or less to sell on ebay. Last time I sold a 750.00 doller redline on ebay, I got hit with 9 percentjust for final value fees and listing fees, and then if you want to do featured plus, thats another 1-4 percent in some cases, and then 3+ percent for paypal,there is 14 percent right there. I know of people lately paying 15-16 percent with the listing fees, final value fees, and paypal fees. Hope that cleared it upfor you.<br>Eric

How can they force you?? Think about it, you win my auction and "ask the seller a question" I give you my mailing address, and you send a MO. Theycan't stop it unless they stop us from communicating.

Good point Pete, but you know how half them ebayers before you even get a chance to message them, they paypal you right away, so i don't know how thatwould work, espceially if it was paypal only , then everyone would pay even faster, lol. I think the best bet would be to, when you get the ebay invoice whenyour selling, you put in the message to the buyer right there, heres my number or my address, send me a money order, or if you want to use pyapal, add 3percent, thats how I would do it. I have been seeing everyone jacking up the shipping fees lately to cover paypal fees.<br>Eric

Eric,<br>I don't think you understand the mathematics...here is what the final value fees are...<br><br><p><strong> </strong></p><blockquote> <strong>8.75% of the initial $25.00 ($2.19), plus 3.50% of the remaining closing value balance($25.01 - $1,000.00)</strong></blockquote><p><br><br>A far cry from what you said about 9% of the final sales price...featured auction is soley for exposure that is at your choice, not a mandatory cost so youcan't blame that cost on ebay.</p>

<img height="15" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" width="15" alt="image">There are instances where PP in factdoes indirectly make money from shipping charges. When I send money from my bank in Canada to PP, Canadian currency is transferred. Every item I've everbought on eBay except for 2 came from the US where sellers obviously would like payment in $US. I've bought about 195 items where the total shipping feesmay be at least $1500 collectively. PP takes a .0325% fee for converting the cash to $US. That's about $50 from me alone only for the conversion. If youmultiply that by 1,000,000 consumers, theres 50 million dollars.<br><br> Also, it takes 6-8 business days for that money to appear in my PP account, but, it leaves my bank account in 2 days. Somebody other than me and my bankaccount has my money for 6 to 8 days, and is making interest from that. I'm not sure if it's PP or not, but somebody is, just as a lawyers trustaccount makes money from deposited cash, but doesn't tell you it is. I suspect once my money leaves my bank, it's in PP's possession, but I'mnot sure about that. It may be in possession of some sort of money transfer company, which could even be a subsidiary of PP as PP is a subsidiary of eBay, andall are making a small percentage.<br><br> And also, I really do prefer PP as when I'm either paying or receiving as payment is always virtually instant. I don't have to monkey around drivingto banks or post offices to send or cash cheques or m.o.'s, or drive, ride a bicycle or walk 1000 miles to pay for and pick up a $10 item. We're allspoiled folks. I've been lucky to this point and have never lost money.<br><br> There is also a few instances when I opted to mail currency across the border to US sellers. I only bid on their stuff if they have a high number of pointsand a 'Very' high percentage, like 99.8 or higher. I always give the seller the benefit of the doubt on the .02 percent negative feedback as somebuyers are total A-Holes who are quick to neg someone for the slightest problem without trying to resolve it. I've even repeated business with 2 of themand never got burned. A seller usernamed dadron where I bought a $67 Cal Custon Camaro 2nd time round, and another seller from R.I. or somewhere out there bythe username of htfdc where I've sent similar amounts of cash several times.<br><br> I don't blame anyone who would prefer to receive cheques or money orders if that's what works for them.<br><br> And also, if I send anything from Canada to anywhere in the world, postal rates are high because insurance is mandatory on parcels. It costs $6.45 to send asmall parcel which can contain up to 250 grams or maybe 2 or 3 blisters or loose cars to the US. If something goes lost and PP hits me, I in turn hit the PostOffice for reimbursement. I've never had to do that though as I've been lucky enough to have dealt with straight shootin' honest people. And aspreviously mentioned, it my perogative to buy or sell on eBay, no-one elses.<br><br>And although my father wasn't Jewish, he, as a young boy in Poland in 1939 had his life f'd up by Nazis, so maybe that reference is just a little heavyfor some. Of course, I can read, listen to, or talk about anything, so it doesn't bother me, but I can understand some people's reaction to that. I seethat some of the barbs flying around on RLOL really haven't subsided fully since I've been gone.<br><br> Andy<img height="15" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" width="15" alt="image"><br><br>

Eric,<br>You typed above telling me ebay charged you <strong>9% of $750.00</strong>. That figures out to <strong>.09 x $750.00 =</strong> <strong>$67.50<br></strong><br>Here's the way to figure final value sales fees at the rate posted by ebay here... <a target="_blank" href="http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/fees.html"></a><a href="http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/fees.html">http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/fees.html</a><br><br> ..... <strong>2.19</strong> ( 8.75% x $25.00 )<br><strong>+ <u>25.38</u></strong> (3.5% x $725.00 )<br><strong>$ 27.57<br><br>This is how you figure the Final Value Sales Fees. Check your invoices and you will see this is the formula they use to charge you the fees.<br><br>Just trying to help...<img height="32" src="http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/mittelgrosse/medium-smiley-012.gif" width="32" alt="image"><br></strong><br>

<font color="#006600">First, you can never state add 3% for paypal fees on any ebay auction or invoice. That is a violation. What you do , is add that fee tothe shipping. So if 1 lb. priority is 4.80, you state a slightly higher price for shipping. $5.00 or 5.50 or 6.00... etc.<br><br>I also have a feeling that Ebay will make a change and you will NOT see the buyer's email address anymore. All emails would be through ebay and they willprobably do something that will let them know when you write an email address.. Of course, ebay will state that they are now blocking email addresses toprevent a pervert from molesting you (or some other BS excuse... and not the truth... that they are stopping you from asking for a money order.)<br><br><br>I never pay extra for anything. I haven't listed a truly rare item but if I did have an antique worth hundreds of dollars , I might pay for the featuredauction.<br><br>maribell</font>

Heres the Paypal calculator I use..................<br><br><a target="_blank" href="http://ppcalc.com/"></a><a href="http://ppcalc.com/">http://ppcalc.com/</a>

Half of what you did is right Jeff, but you got the final value thing down wrong here is what just the final value fee was alone<br><br><table cellspacing="1" cellpadding="4" width="100%" border="0"><tbody><tr bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><td align="middle">Aug-09-08 10:22:00 PDT</td> <td>1969 Olive Beach Bomb BP, Rare and Minty, MIB !!!!! <br> Final price: $750.00 (Auction) </td> <td align="middle">130245471451</td> <td align="middle">Final Value Fee</td> <td nowrap align="right">$27.56</td> </tr></tbody></table><br>Not including listing fees, featured auctions or paypal fees. It sure in the hell was not $ 2.19 like you said . And it almost seems like you are trying toback ebay and their BS fees, I mean do you like paying these fees?<br>Eric

Hi Maribell,<br>I learned you cannot put the 3 % paypal fee in your auction listing becasue they will cancel your auction, but you can put it in the invoices, trust me onthat, there is no way they can stop that.<br>Eric

<p>Also Jeff, the total basic fees not including anything extra like featured, bold, etc. Just the listing fees with reserve and buy it now, paypal, and finalvalue fees added up to $ 67.00 bucks, so don't tell me they did not charge me that much. Paypal was $ 25.38 like you said plus $ 27.56 final value fee,plus roughly 15.00 bucks for the listing fees including reserve</p><p>25.38- Paypal fee like you said<br>27.56- Final value fee<br>15.00- listing fee with reserve fee<br><br>Equals 67.94 exactly, that is over 9% ? I know how to figure them out Jeff, trust me on that one, I sell a lot on ebay. It still is total bs either way, $67.94 to sell a 750.00 toy car ????<br><br><br>Eric</p><p> </p>

<div class="scrolling"> <div> <blockquote> <blockquote> <div> <blockquote> have to get hit with fees ranging from 9-14 percent, its just ridicoulous. </blockquote>Eric... <br> 9% - 14% ? Where did you come up with 14% ? </div> </blockquote> </blockquote><strong>I asked you where you come up with 14%? You gave me the total of 69.74. That includes your paypal fees, final value fees and listing fee with reserve. If you divide 69.74 by 750.00 you get 9.05 %. That total is with all of the costs to list, sell and get paid for your item. 9.05% is a far cry from 14% like I asked you to come up with. <br> My mathematic equation was simply showing you the final value fees of which you copied and pasted exactly the total I showed you in the math problem, except I rounded up and your info from your invoice rounded down to the nearest cent. <br> And then you type this?</strong> <br><blockquote> It sure in the hell was not $ 2.19 like you said . </blockquote><strong>By you typing this, you obviously really don't understand the formula I tried to show you. <br><br> Bottom line is that it <u>does not cost you 14% to sell you car</u> on ebay. Just like you said above...9.05% is your total of your fees for selling your car. <br><br> You are trying to cry a sad song about how much you get charged to sell a car on ebay but you actually get charged 5% less than you are crying about. Get the math right and you will feel much better about your dealings with ebay. <br></strong> <br><strong>One more thing...you tell Maribell to trust you on something that you are entirely incorrect about. Here is what you typed.</strong> <br><br><blockquote> <blockquote> I learned you cannot put the 3 % paypal fee in your auction listing becasue they will cancel your auction, but you can put it in the invoices, trust me on that, there is no way they can stop that. </blockquote><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><br><br></blockquote><strong><br> Maribell had it right...all you can do is "up" your shipping cost or charge a handling charge of the item to make up for the fees. Do not type anywhere that there is a charge for paypal fees. <br><br> Unless you like shooting yourself in the foot ! <br><br> Show this post to some of your family and have them explain the math formula I showed in an earlier post, if you still don't "get it"</strong> </div> </div> <div> <blockquote> <blockquote> <div> <blockquote> have to get hit with fees ranging from 9-14 percent, its just ridicoulous. </blockquote>Eric... <br> 9% - 14% ? Where did you come up with 14% ? </div> </blockquote> </blockquote><strong>I asked you where you come up with 14%? You gave me the total of 69.74. That includes your paypal fees, final value fees and listing fee with reserve. If you divide 69.74 by 750.00 you get 9.05 %. That total is with all of the costs to list, sell and get paid for your item. 9.05% is a far cry from 14% like I asked you to come up with. <br> My mathematic equation was simply showing you the final value fees of which you copied and pasted exactly the total I showed you in the math problem, except I rounded up and your info from your invoice rounded down to the nearest cent. <br> And then you type this?</strong> <br><blockquote> It sure in the hell was not $ 2.19 like you said . </blockquote><strong>By you typing this, you obviously really don't understand the formula I tried to show you. <br><br> Bottom line is that it <u>does not cost you 14% to sell you car</u> on ebay. Just like you said above...9.05% is your total of your fees for selling your car. <br><br> You are trying to cry a sad song about how much you get charged to sell a car on ebay but you actually get charged 5% less than you are crying about. Get the math right and you will feel much better about your dealings with ebay. <br></strong> <br><strong>One more thing...you tell Maribell to trust you on something that you are entirely incorrect about. Here is what you typed.</strong> <br><br><blockquote> <blockquote> I learned you cannot put the 3 % paypal fee in your auction listing becasue they will cancel your auction, but you can put it in the invoices, trust me on that, there is no way they can stop that. </blockquote><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><br><br></blockquote><strong><br> Maribell had it right...all you can do is "up" your shipping cost or charge a handling charge of the item to make up for the fees. Do not type anywhere that there is a charge for paypal fees. <br><br> Unless you like shooting yourself in the foot ! <br><br> Show this post to some of your family and have them explain the math formula I showed in an earlier post, if you still don't "get it"</strong> </div> <blockquote> <blockquote> <div> <blockquote> have to get hit with fees ranging from 9-14 percent, its just ridicoulous. </blockquote>Eric... <br> 9% - 14% ? Where did you come up with 14% ? </div> </blockquote> </blockquote><strong>I asked you where you come up with 14%? You gave me the total of 69.74. That includes your paypal fees, final value fees and listing fee with reserve. If you divide 69.74 by 750.00 you get 9.05 %. That total is with all of the costs to list, sell and get paid for your item. 9.05% is a far cry from 14% like I asked you to come up with. <br> My mathematic equation was simply showing you the final value fees of which you copied and pasted exactly the total I showed you in the math problem, except I rounded up and your info from your invoice rounded down to the nearest cent. <br> And then you type this?</strong> <br><blockquote> It sure in the hell was not $ 2.19 like you said . </blockquote><strong>By you typing this, you obviously really don't understand the formula I tried to show you. <br><br> Bottom line is that it <u>does not cost you 14% to sell you car</u> on ebay. Just like you said above...9.05% is your total of your fees for selling your car. <br><br> You are trying to cry a sad song about how much you get charged to sell a car on ebay but you actually get charged 5% less than you are crying about. Get the math right and you will feel much better about your dealings with ebay. <br></strong> <br><strong>One more thing...you tell Maribell to trust you on something that you are entirely incorrect about. Here is what you typed.</strong> <br><br><blockquote> <blockquote> I learned you cannot put the 3 % paypal fee in your auction listing becasue they will cancel your auction, but you can put it in the invoices, trust me on that, there is no way they can stop that. </blockquote><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><br><br></blockquote><strong><br> Maribell had it right...all you can do is "up" your shipping cost or charge a handling charge of the item to make up for the fees. Do not type anywhere that there is a charge for paypal fees. <br><br> Unless you like shooting yourself in the foot ! <br><br> Show this post to some of your family and have them explain the math formula I showed in an earlier post, if you still don't "get it"</strong> <blockquote> have to get hit with fees ranging from 9-14 percent, its just ridicoulous. </blockquote>Eric... <br> 9% - 14% ? Where did you come up with 14% ?

<p><img height="39" src="http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/aktion/action-smiley-060.gif" width="35" alt="image"></p><p><img height="57" src="http://mmb.maverick.to/images/smilies/deadhorse.gif" width="99" alt="image"></p><p><br></p><img height="15" src="http://forums.gottadeal.com/images/smilies/blahblah.gif" width="37" alt="image"><img height="15" src="http://forums.gottadeal.com/images/smilies/blahblah.gif" width="37" alt="image"><p><br></p><img height="80" src="http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/party/party-smiley-020.gif" width="112" alt="image"><p><br></p>

<p>Jeff,<br>I was saying I paid 9-14 percent in fees before, you just seen the 9 percent, and the 14 was on a 200 car with the featured plus. And who in there right mindwould feel good about paying 9 percent to sell on ebay?????? And I was right what I told Maribell for the record, your not supposed too, but what the hell,they can charge you up the azzz, the buyer should have to cover the fees regardless if they want to use paypal. I know how to do the formula Jeff, I do notneed you showing me how. Is ebay paying you as a supporter/ spokesperson ???? <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/tongue.gif" alt="image"><br>Eric</p>

Ok I am done, lol., plain and simple, Ebay and Paypal are a rip off. I am done with this Debate. <img height="15" src="http://forums.gottadeal.com/images/smilies/smilies/shrug.gif" width="37" alt="image"><img height="41" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/lol.gif" width="36" alt="image"><br>Eric

<blockquote> Ebay and Paypal are a rip off.</blockquote> <img height="41" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/lol.gif" width="36" alt="image"><p><br></p><img height="32" src="http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/mittelgrosse/medium-smiley-012.gif" width="32" alt="image"><p><br></p>

<blockquote> <p><img height="80" src="http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/party/party-smiley-020.gif" width="112" alt="image"><img height="15" src="http://forums.gottadeal.com/images/smilies/blahblah.gif" width="37" alt="image">Jeff<img height="39" src="http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/aktion/action-smiley-060.gif" width="35" alt="image"><img height="57" src="http://mmb.maverick.to/images/smilies/deadhorse.gif" width="99" alt="image"></p></blockquote> Bro your wasting your time!!

<font color="#330000">You can't tell an ebay customer to add 3% in fees . NOt in the invoice. They can submit it to ebay. Just do what I do...<br><br>4.80 priority mail... Make it 5.80 or 6.00 priority mail<br><br>everything else , add 1 dollar.<br><br><br>If you want to charge a few dollars on a heavy item or an expensive item, then add that amount to the total.<br><br>You need to include it in the price. If you still insist on charging exact shipping, then add 1 - 2 dollars to the starting price of the item. So insteadof 9.99 ,make it 10.99 as the starting price.<br><br>One way or another , you need to recover the paypal fees. That is something that buyers need to understand, especially the ones on this board that have no ideaon how to sell an item. Sorry, I don't mind the ebay fees because I truly am greatful of Ebay for allowig me to stay home and raise the boys whilehubby works but I think that paypal fees total suck...<br>I actually wish that they would charge the fee to the buyer and NOT the seller.. <br><br>I plan on selling a nice Olds 442 soon and believe me, I won't be taking paypal.. nearly 13 dollar in paypal fees. No way Jose. Whoever buys it, willhave to write out a check or a money order and actually peel a stamp. Maybe I will have to write directions on how to buy a money order and how to peel astamp.<br><br><br>maribell</font>

Ebay has increased their fees quite a bit since I have been selling there (since '99). And although I complain about it as much as anybody, I'll stillcontinue to sell there. Why? I also sell at many auction houses in my general area. These auction houses will charge a dealer/seller anywhere from 15% to 30%for their services. Therefore, if you're willing to go through the trouble of packing and shiping an item, comparatively, Ebay is still more profitable forme, the seller (not to mention the increased market exposure). Like Maribell suggested, I too have started adding a small "handling fee" into myshipping charges when selling on Ebay. This has helped me to compensate for some of the increased Ebay costs.<br><br>My biggest complaint about Ebay's new rules is the Paypal-only thing. I think I should also be able to accept payment via check or money order at mychoosing. They are both valid forms of legally transferring funds from one party to another. As long as Ebay gets their fees, they should have no say in how abuyer goes about paying the seller. Thinking optimistically, I believe this new policy will be short-lived. Personally, I think that they will be some kind ofa legal action made which will eventually cause Ebay to rescind this new payment rule (at least I hope so).