-
<br>A <strong>hic</strong> road Jeff? You mean a gravel road where us HICKS live?<br><br>Honestly I'd prefer a <strong>hic</strong> road over the 401 going through TO anyday.<br><br>As I was driving through the darkness to the Skyway show ,early in the morning,back in October Jeff,<em><strong>on the 401 even</strong></em>..I seen 2 deerjust recently hit,and about 5 more ready to walk onto the road. This isn't just a <strong>hic</strong> road problem.<br><br>Interesting opinions coming out of this thread. Pretty clear to see how some people think.<br><br>Meat is good,meat is OK...but don't be shooting anything.<br>Deer only cross <strong>hic</strong> roads..<br><br>Only on LBR...<img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/eyes.gif" alt="image"><br><br>F.
-
This whole discussion reminds me of why I chose, at one time in my life, to be a Vegan. I did so for about three years, but then had to go back to eating meatfor health reasons.<br><br>And although I do eat meat now, I eat only as much as I absolutely need, and whenever possible I buy meat / fish / poultry from sources that I have researchedand know practice humane treatment of animals. It is at least twice as expensive, but worth it to me, and since I don't eat that much of it, it's notthat much of a burden.<br><br>Andrea, you nailed it; I did not grow up around hunting and, thus, I don't "get" it. I've never even touched a real gun in my life, let aloneshoot one at something living. I've never even been fishing. Yes, I'm one of those spoiled city people who has never had to go beyond the grocery storefor the food that sustains me. I am very humbled, Andrea, by your saying that you rely on your husband's hunting to put food on the table. I think that isjust awesome.<br><br>So I do "get" that we are omnivores, at the top of the food chain, and that the consumption of animals is a very natural part of our existence. Giventhat, I also think that Andrea is right that deer and elk that are hunted have much better lives than livestock animals. My primary reason for being a Veganwas the inhumane treatment that farm animals receive, and I was an activist for that cause in my late 20's / 30's. Still am, to a much lesser degree.<br><br>So I have no problem with the consumption of animals, but I do have a problem with inhumane treatment. And so, just as with the raising and slaughtering oflivestock, I have no problem with hunting as long as it is carried out in a humane manner.<br><br>And what does that mean? To me it simply means limiting the suffering an animal must endure, and always respecting and honoring the animal for the sustenanceit is providing to us. Hunting for the sake of hunting - i.e. "trophy hunting" - is, in my opinion, and put very simply, immoral; a coward'ssport.<br><br>I also think "humane treatment" means not glorifying the slaughter. So while I would make no judgement on hunting in general, I find it unnecessary,and in a sense inhumane, and certainly in poor taste, to post pictures that glorify killing, in a public forum.<br><br>Just my opinion.<br><br>Greg
-
<strong>Mmmmmmmmmmm, bacon double Buffalo cheeseburger...............<img height="27" src="http://mmb.maverick.to/images/smilies/yahoo.gif" width="42" alt="image"><br><br>No lettuce, extra onions please..........<img height="41" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/lol.gif" width="36" alt="image"><img height="80" src="http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/party/party-smiley-020.gif" width="112" alt="image"><img height="41" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/lol.gif" width="36" alt="image"></strong>
-
lol frank i guess i was talking about roads north of #5 in this area ther like deer highways but yea i have even seen them hit at bronte and the qew so yea nothickville or trailer park boy area.<br>ps i lived in dunville so i can say hick lol or hic
-
<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">MissMaverick wrote:</strong> <hr><blockquote> <br></blockquote> <br> Nothing wrong with objecting to the picture Andy, I do understand <span style="FONT-STYLE: italic">that</span> part of your post. <br> We removed a thread about car/deer accident awhile back for the same reason. Not everyone cares to see fur, blood and death. <br><br><br></blockquote><strong>That was mine. It was pretty foul. What was I thinking? lol<br></strong><br><blockquote> That is my worst nightmare, to be cruising along and plow into one of those things on my motorcycle</blockquote><br><br><strong>Mine too. Most of the roads (hic roads maybe? lol) I take to go from home and back are just littered with deer. I hate deer. Stupid animals. <br></strong><br><strong>I wish there wasn't a limit on how many a hunter can get. I say kill them all. Stupid animals.</strong><br>
-
<blockquote> And what does that mean? To me it simply means limiting the suffering an animal must endure, and always respecting and honoring the animal for the sustenance it is providing to us. Hunting for the sake of hunting - i.e. "trophy hunting" - is, in my opinion, and put very simply, immoral; a coward's sport.</blockquote>I would have to agree with this position Greg. Well said.<br>There is a great scene at the beginning of the movie "Last of the Mohicans" where three men are hunting a deer. They are literally chasing it throughthe woods on foot, prepping their muzzle loading rifles while at a full sprint. They get it where they want and fell it with one shot. Before doing anythingwith the animal, they all kneel around it and honor it for it's fight, and thank it for its sacrifice that will sustain them. Very humbling stuff.<br><br>Steve<br><br><br>
-
Right on Frank!<br><br><br><blockquote> Why shoot anything that can't shoot back???????????</blockquote>It's some mighty fine good eats! Dear meat Taco's are mmm mmm mmm good. Mass slaughter of cows, chickens, rabbit, etc..... You ever seenthe way they are processed? Id rather have a bullet to kill me fast than hung upside down from my feet and my head ripped off like a chicken. Hunting is morehumane than any meat processing plant ever will be. Beef, chicken, pork, (moose ( some of the best burgers and steaks you will ever eat), deer, eat it all.<br><br>Here is a video of a chicken plant.<br><a target="_blank" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6r9xxREqL-I"></a><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6r9xxREqL-I">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6r9xxREqL-I</a>
-
Steve,<br><br>Even though its fictional one must watch the movie "Powder". Where the hunter shoots the deer and sez it doesn't suffer and then the kid placeshis hand on the deer as a medium to the hunter...e'nuff said.<br><br>I don't hunt but if they did not the deer population in this area would be out of whack and quite a few would starve-out...<br><br>C<br><br>Man oh man what did I start??? <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/frown.gif" alt="image">
-
<span><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/A6VS6qsLJeY&rel=1" width="425" height="355" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" allowscriptaccess="never"></embed></span><br>Andrea your abusing your power again! <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/wink.gif" alt="image">�<br><br>Dave this video is for you. When I ride my bike at night I have the brights on and I ride at a reasonable speed.<br>This video could of been a huge disaster!<br>I agree with hunting for sport if the food is used. Killing for a trophy alone is wrong.<br><blockquote> but I'm not gonna shoot a standing cow and put it's head on my wall all for the sake of it's meat!!</blockquote>The local longhorn my family eats at about twice a month has two large cow heads mounted on the wall.<br>There is a Texas road house close by with a large moose head hanging over the door.<br>They just opened a new buffalo wings at Eastgate mall and you guessed it a large buffalo head at one end of the restaurant.<br><br>I am not a hunter. I feed the wild animals. I am not against hunting. I love steak and jerky no matter if it comes from a cow or a deer.<br>Tim<br>
-
<strong>I'm not sure but was there a photo by Steve Grimm (?) where a deer ran across hitting a bicyclist (or something to that effect)?</strong>
-
Hey Tim, what do you think some of these guys would think of my dads house? :p<br><br>I dont get whats wrong with mounting animals after you've gotten the meat from them. You can do both, so why not? Many animals are beautiful to look at, sowhy not make further use of it?<br>Also, its not always about having a "trophy", but a memory of the hunt. I know alot of deer hunters who mount their first deer they take....
-
I think this was it? The deer didn't hit the biker. I think the biker found it on the side of the road and didn't want all that jerky to go to waste.<br>If the picture is inappropriate then Andrea do your magic!<br>Tim<br><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/beachbomb/Deer-bike.jpg" alt="image"><br>
-
Yea,<br>Adams dad has dead Eagles in his house! Lot's of them. <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/mad.gif" alt="image"> Hedidn't even eat the drum sticks. <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/sick.gif" alt="image"><br>Sorry Adam you brought it up.<br><br>Tim
-
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v72/sverrefehn/Morrow-deer.jpg" alt="image"><p>Good memory Michael.</p><p>This is from a bike race that I was actually in. For you Cincinnatians, this happened near Morrow.</p><p>The photographer was positioned near the start/finish line and just happened to be taking photos of the lead group coming through when the deer camecrashing into them. Funny thing is, while we were staging before the race began we saw a group of deer go by and joked about watching out for them. Nobodythought it would actually happen. In the photo, the guy on the ground to the left was taken out by the deer. Amazingly, he got up and attempted to remount thebike to rejoin the race only to discover that he had a hoof shaped hole in the top tube of his carbon fiber frame. Otherwise, we was good to go and onlysuffered some bruising. (It helps the he was a former football player).</p><p>The deer ran off and was presumably OK.</p><p><br></p><p>Steve<br></p>
-
Franks a hic??<img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/eyes.gif" alt="image"><br>
-
Thanks Tim, I had a certain part of my body that had a horrid clinch over that one!!!
-
<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">PeepingScott wrote:</strong> <hr> Franks a hic??<img alt="image" src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/eyes.gif"><br></blockquote><br><br> Hic-cup!<br><br><img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/tongue.gif" alt="image">
-
I defended hunting but I have little respect for killing an animal just to say that you did. I don't have many good thoughts concerning certain huntingpractices either.<br><br>IMO there is nothing with going out and hunting down an animal for it's meat to feed your family. I don't have a problem with mounting that kill if youare proud of it also.<br>I don't think many who kill a bear actually eats it.
-
Tim,<br>Looks like that fly'in deer was trying to kick that poor biker in the head!!! <img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"><br><br>Doc, "hic roads", LOL. <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/laugh.gif" alt="image"><br><br>Brian
-
<p>Frank said it. "hic" is Hick lingo. That's what they say after swilling too much corn liquor they've made out in the barn<img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/sick.gif" alt="image">. Is there a zH!t faced emoticon around here somewhere?<br><br> Around where I live, city people for the mostpart are despised. It's a battle. Them city folks (lots but not all) can be pretty dis-respectfull,condescending, and rude, and driving 80 mph on our hic roads to get to the beach 5 minutes earlier to throw their garbage everwhere before anyone else.They're tolerated for the summer months because they spend a lotta money. "come for a while, spend yer cash, then leave". Thats' theattitude.<br><br> There's a restaurant east of here called Teds that serves up all kinds of tasty treats,........EMU?????? I believe Ted Nugent has even eaten here. He onlylives a few 100 miles away. They get good stuff from all over the planet, including lotsa goodies from the Inuit. Wednesday night jams too. Check the link:<br><br><a target="_blank" href="http://www.meaford.com/rrdiner.htm"></a><a href="http://www.meaford.com/rrdiner.htm">http://www.meaford.com/rrdiner.htm</a><br><br>Andy<img height="15" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" width="15" alt="image"><br><br></p>
-
I've eaten bear several times, tastes like chiken! Seriously, it's very comparable to pork. Same difference, don't eat the liver. Did that too,before we found out it had flukes...
-
<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">sverrefehn wrote:</strong> <hr><blockquote> And what does that mean? To me it simply means limiting the suffering an animal must endure, and always respecting and honoring the animal for the sustenance it is providing to us. Hunting for the sake of hunting - i.e. "trophy hunting" - is, in my opinion, and put very simply, immoral; a coward's sport. </blockquote>I would have to agree with this position Greg. Well said. <br> There is a great scene at the beginning of the movie "Last of the Mohicans" where three men are hunting a deer. They are literally chasing it through the woods on foot, prepping their muzzle loading rifles while at a full sprint. They get it where they want and fell it with one shot. Before doing anything with the animal, they all kneel around it and honor it for it's fight, and thank it for its sacrifice that will sustain them. Very humbling stuff. <br><br> Steve <br><br><br></blockquote>Well, I hope the deer was consoled. When they kill cattle---you know the critters that provide us with an essential part of the White castleexperiance---they chase them down a ramp to the killing floor.At the end of the ramp is a large steel box,big enough to hold two cattle snugly so they cantmove or dodge.The end of the box is open.The catttle run into the box and the open end closes. There is a man they call a "knocker" standing abovethe box on a scaffold.He has a pnuematic gun with a spike.It is the same tool that the killer uses on "No Country for Old Men" He hits the cattle ona sweet spot just above the eyes.They are stunned. The box tilts up and dumps the animals onto the floor which is ankle deep in blood. The shackler chains eachanimal up by one rear hoof and it is hoisted up to the ceiling and attached to a moving chain drive.Then the sticker has to grab a flailing hoof and manage toget in close enough to cut the animals throat without being kicked, and hang a stainless steel bucket on its neck to catch the geyser of blood from thejugular. For some strange reason this was the lowest paying job on the floor. Which meant that university students hiring on for the summer were the poor soulswho ended up sticking cattle.These budding doctors and lawyers would come to the change room at lunch time soaked in blood from head to toe and eyes the sizeof saucers. We would howl.<br> I tell this story to anyone who is nutty enough to argue that it is fine to eat burgers but bad to kill a defenseless wild animal for food or even as atrophy provided that the meat is still used. I like burgers too. And steaks.---mike<br><br>
-
<br>Mike,<br>Do people think that the killing floor of a packing plant is actually some kind of serene experience?..lol. It's a slaughter house..and it's named thatfor good reason.<br>I mean,it's meat. It comes from Animals. They have to go through there before consumers can get that meat on the table, or in that hunk of crap they callmeat at Mickey D's.<br><br>I farm,I raise beef..I know what happens. It's all about production at these plants,at the most cheapest cost....THAT is the bottom line...BAR NONE.<br><br>What pisses me off is that since I graduated college in 82,we've been selling cattle for basically the same price for the last 26 years. Some yearsbetter,some years worse..But the costs of production always go up,and the margins always shrink.<br>Yet the price rarely goes down in the stores...<br><br>Again,<em>ALL this is really off the path of the original subject</em>..so let's not wander too much..but I just felt I had to reply.<br><br>If you ate today,Thank a farmer.<br><br>F~
-
I don't hunt, only because I don't have that time to commit.<br><br>In the glory days of the WWW, there was a website called Manmeat.com, and you could in fact, buy human steaks. Yep, I tried hard to get the boys to go in apackage deal, but they all whined about it, so I never ordered. They're not around anymore, sadly. So, Bambie didn't make it out of the woods, welleither did Joe, Bob, or Cindy for that matter. All ended up on the plate in the end. Chew on that.......
-
<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">rdln66 wrote:</strong> <hr><br> Mike, <br><br> I farm,I raise beef..I know what happens. It's all about production at these plants,at the most cheapest cost....THAT is the bottom line...BAR NONE. <br><br> What pisses me off is that since I graduated college in 82,we've been selling cattle for basically the same price for the last 26 years. Some years better,some years worse..But the costs of production always go up,and the margins always shrink. <br> Yet the price rarely goes down in the stores... <br><br> Again,<em>ALL this is really off the path of the original subject</em>..so let's not wander too much..but I just felt I had to reply. <br><br> If you ate today,Thank a farmer. <br><br> F~</blockquote>I guess the big stores are the culprits. We could get right back into the union fight since we all seem so scrappy. When I quit the killing floorin 1985 or there abouts the union wage was about twelve dollars an hour.Which was good money.I was able to buy my house on the wages I earned. Unions have beenweakened over the years in the meat packing industry. Today about twenty-five years later,the going rate is about ten dollars an hour.My home has gone up 400per cent in cost.Not too many people in that industry buying houses now--- or new Chevrolets.<br> I am very thankful for farmers so I won't talk about the smells and sounds of the killing floor. I don't want everyone eating vegetables.---mike<br><br>
-
Mike, since you used my quote as a springboard...<br><br>I'm fully aware of what happens in slaughterhouses, chicken ranches, etc. As an activist, I experienced it firsthand. And I'm also fully aware of howlarge and powerful the meat industry is, and how many livelihoods it provides.<br><br>And with all due respect to people like Frank, who I know and have high regard for, both as a person and for what they do to make a living, I would still hopefor more humane treatment of the animals, even if it meant that it put those people out of that particular business. I don't believe that we, as humans,are the most important thing on this planet. In fact, it may actually be the other way around...<br><br>And let's face it - we all consume WAY more meat than we need to - probably 3 times as much. And we would all be healthier if we limited meat consumption.And while I would hate to put a lot of people out work, would it really be that big of a loss that there wouldn't have to be some poor miserable personholding a bucket to catch an animal's blood while avoiding being kicked? There are plenty of other things we can do to make a living...<br><br>I also am tremendously thankful for farmers. In fact, I'm tremendously thankful for everything on this earth. But I think we are beginning to see that, ashumans, we are not the only thing that matters. And eventually the universe, and this earth, will have its way with us, and there will be nothing we can doabout it, no matter how powerful and important we think we are. And it's all good, and exactly as it should be.<br><br>But in the meantime, we are the ones that are taking care of the place, and can in some ways effect the outcome. So my hope is that we can continue to care forthis place to the best of our ability, and treat all things with dignity and respect in the process. I believe that is the only thing that will guarantee ourcontinued survival here.<br><br>Greg
-
i like meat, no wait i love meat, rare meat. i don't hunt but have nothing against those who as long as its for the meat and not to just kill. personallythere are certain types of people i could take a shot at before i could kill an animal. lets not forget this classic<br><br><a title="deer hunting" target="_blank" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2AXcOMcJ64">deer hunting</a><br>
-
I thught this thread was about deer hunting and not slaughterhouses? <img height="32" src="http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/mittelgrosse/medium-smiley-012.gif" width="32" alt="image"><p><br></p>
-
Jamie, stop acting like your new or something. In LBR, this forum is DEDICATED to those with ADD. We simply can't stay on topic past one- two pages max. Abetter name for this forum would be Hyjack Central Forum. "You start a topic, we smack it, flip it, and rub it down, 10 different ways to Sunday."<br>Out
-
-
Yep, that was just my feeble attempt to steer it back to the original direction, but you are correct, I should have known better. :)
-
<img src="http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y103/ScottWheels/animals.gif" alt="image"><br><br><img src="http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y103/ScottWheels/cat.jpg" alt="image"><br>
-
-
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v67/chickluu/Bush_eating_cat.jpg" alt="image">
-
<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">jamwood1 wrote:</strong> <hr> I thught this thread was about deer hunting and not slaughterhouses? <img height="32" alt="image" src="http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/mittelgrosse/medium-smiley-012.gif" width="32"><p><br></p></blockquote><br><br><br>Going by the pic that was removed, my first impression was that it was 'gratuitous hunting pornography'. Nothin' like seeing an animal kicking andbucking for its life in agony. So I didn't take it as being about deer hunting, I took it as gratuitous porn and found that rather sickening. And besides,many people have an or?asm at the point of death, whether that be their own life, or the person or animal being killed. I've been told so by seasonedhunters and read about what goes on in the pants of people being hung, and in the minds and pants of murderers!<br><br>Andy<img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/sick.gif" alt="image">
-
<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v67/chickluu/poopypants.jpg" alt="image"><br><br>I am sure this will be here for only a short time...hee hee<br>
-
<img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/tongue.gif" alt="image"><br>
-
<img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/tongue.gif" alt="image"><br><br>
-
colitis is a real pain in the ass..............
-
<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">chickluu wrote:</strong> <hr><img alt="image" src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v67/chickluu/poopypants.jpg"><br><br> I am sure this will be here for only a short time...hee hee <br></blockquote><br><br><img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/roll.gif" alt="image"><br><br>Gee, that stain's so nice,<br>it'll have to be removed twice!<br><br>NEW!!! 2X Tide<br><br><img height="15" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" width="15" alt="image">
.jpg){kind=logo}