Camaro: Is It Real?

Now now, Scott...<br><br><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v67/chickluu/732_spanking.gif" alt="image"><br><br><br><br><br><br>

Come on...just pay for it.<br><br>For heavens sake, it is 100.00 not 1,000.00. Pay for it and find out for sure. If it's not legit...get your dollars back.<br><br>This is getting way too involved and intense for a measly 100.00 car...dontcha think?<br><br>just my 2 pennies...<img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/wink.gif" alt="image">

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Hey - Here's a suggestion. If you want people to take a serious look at your question lose that "flash" &amp;*$% in your avatar. You startedthe post and it's in #3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10, 16, 20 ,23, 26 ,27 and 37. Get rid of that annoying crap...

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">redlinefan70 wrote:</strong> <hr> Hey - Here's a suggestion. If you want people to take a serious look at your question lose that "flash" &amp;*$% in your avatar. You started the post and it's in #3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10, 16, 20 ,23, 26 ,27 and 37. Get rid of that annoying crap...</blockquote><br><strong>What is that anyway? Is that some kinda cute rainbow hoody? </strong>

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">redlinefan70 wrote:</strong> <hr> Hey - Here's a suggestion. If you want people to take a serious look at your question lose that "flash" &amp;*$% in your avatar. You started the post and it's in #3, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10, 16, 20 ,23, 26 ,27 and 37. Get rid of that annoying crap...</blockquote><br><br><strong>I find it hard to believe this was even posted. Is it relevant to the thread?<br><br>If blinking/flashing/moving avatar annoys any one, all you have to do is press the ESC button. Try it!</strong> <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/happy.gif" alt="image">

I agree with Michael, why has this post become a Milo bashing free-for-all?

Thank's! <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/chevyhoney/Handshake.gif"><br><br>I will be posting a update shortly for anybody interested besides me.

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">CHEVY57 wrote:</strong> <hr> I agree with Michael, why has this post become a Milo bashing free-for-all?</blockquote><br>i dont think its milo bashing, i just think enough is enough, how many time can you try to convice the board its some special real deal toy, if he reallythinks it is, which he does, he bought it on ebay before bringing it to the board, case closed put it in a box and be happy

<img src="http://forums.gottadeal.com/images/smilies/new/gdyeahthat.gif" width="41" height="46" alt="image"> I agree with Scott...

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">twosix wrote:</strong> <hr><blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">CHEVY57 wrote:</strong> <hr> I agree with Michael, why has this post become a Milo bashing free-for-all? </blockquote> <br> i dont think its milo bashing, i just think enough is enough, how many time can you try to convice the board its some special real deal toy, if he really thinks it is, which he does, he bought it on ebay before bringing it to the board, case closed put it in a box and be happy</blockquote><br>I'm not trying to convince anyone nor myself. I suggest possibilities.<br>If I tend to lean to one side that is ok till I find out differently. <br><br>

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[ If blinking/flashing/moving avatar annoys any one, all you have to do is press the ESC button. Try it! ]<br><br>Wow. No more pee pee time, and anal sumo guys. Sweet. This is a nugget to remember. Thank you, thank you very much...<br><br>jim

Sheeesh...I get the hint..no mo' PEE PEE <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/eyes.gif" alt="image"><br>

I loved the Pee Pee time avatar! Bummer!<br>Do you think she really has to Pee?<br>Is it possible that maybe she really doesn't have to?<br>Original Pee or a rePee?<br>I guess it's whatever Pee I want it to be<img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/happy.gif" alt="image"><br>

I think frankly even if it WAS real some how (which i'm fairly certain it isn't) you could never actually prove it to be real so its practically a mootpoint. Legit one-off/sample/proto/lunchtime painted cars need verification via back story and history like if it came from an ex-employee or can at least betraced back to an ex-employee collection...something along those lines. Just my .02 though.

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">JonMcLane wrote:</strong> <hr> I think frankly even if it WAS real some how (which i'm fairly certain it isn't) you could never actually prove it to be real so its practically a moot point. Legit one-off/sample/proto/lunchtime painted cars need verification via back story and history like if it came from an ex-employee or can at least be traced back to an ex-employee collection...something along those lines. Just my .02 though.</blockquote>Does that mean there can't be a outcome so a update is not necessary here? <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/tired.gif" alt="image"><img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/wink.gif" alt="image"><br><br>

Of course you need to update, only if it solidifies what most believe already. You never know? It doesn't look Cipsa quality, the wheels don't matchthe paint, the paint doesn't match anything known to date, etc, etc.<br><br>If there is one thing, this hobby is really good at teaching, is never say never. Don't hold your breath though....

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">JonMcLane wrote:</strong> <hr> I think frankly even if it WAS real some how (which i'm fairly certain it isn't) you could never actually prove it to be real so its practically a moot point. Legit one-off/sample/proto/lunchtime painted cars need verification via back story and history like if it came from an ex-employee or can at least be traced back to an ex-employee collection...something along those lines. Just my .02 though.</blockquote>This hobby is strange whereas I have seen many ex-employee cars sell for high dollars on mere fact that th unfamiliar sellers say so.<br>There were no casting differences compared to a regular production car,no documentation,proof,back story or history on those "ex-employee" cars.<br><br> Also what could stop someone from painting a WE Camaro<br>so perfect that you could never actually prove it to be fake so automatically it is a all original legit WE Camaro?! <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/sick.gif" alt="image"><br><br>

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">JonMcLane wrote:</strong> <hr> I think frankly even if it WAS real some how (which i'm fairly certain it isn't) you could never actually prove it to be real so its practically a moot point. <br></blockquote><br>So I guess that statement includes ALL loose production Redlines also. <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/grin.gif" alt="image"><br>

Why all these posts and nonsense over a car that is 99.99 percent a Repaint. You asked us for our opinions and we give them, and they you just ignore them andstill think the car is legit without even having it in your hand??? Also, if you think the car is legit looking at the picture's in the auction, I thinkyou need some bye focal's, the paint in the wheel wells is spectra flame green, there appears to be a spot of blue paint on the front fender, I mean Iwouldn't even take the gamble for 10 bucks let alone 100 . Also, Chris aka Jon Mclane is saying even if the car is for some million to one long shot real,it is still basically worthless, I mean there is no history on the car, no Mattel employee to verify it, etc, so you would have to find some Joe Shmoe thatmight give you a little money for it, but I doubt it. White Enamel Camaro's have a little history, not green one's, LOL.<br>My 2 cents,<br>Eric<br>

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">TrueIceBlue wrote:</strong> <hr><blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">JonMcLane wrote:</strong> <hr> I think frankly even if it WAS real some how (which i'm fairly certain it isn't) you could never actually prove it to be real so its practically a moot point. <br></blockquote> <br> So I guess that statement includes most ALL Redlines. <img alt="image" src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/grin.gif"><br></blockquote><br>of course not...... because most all redlines come in a color we know to have been used for that model (or prototypes in different colors that have come out ofemployee collections). I'm not saying it is out of the realm of possibility that it could be real but you would have a tough time convincing anyone of itwithout any provenance . <br><br>

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">TrueIceBlue wrote:</strong> <hr><blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">JonMcLane wrote:</strong> <hr> I think frankly even if it WAS real some how (which i'm fairly certain it isn't) you could never actually prove it to be real so its practically a moot point. <br></blockquote> <br> So I guess that statement includes ALL loose production Redlines also. <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/grin.gif" alt="image"><br></blockquote>No, it doesn't, and that's kind of a silly thing to say. Don't get carried away. This board has a lot of very knowledgeable membersand most are just trying to help with their educated opinions. If you don't want to hear them, don't ask for them. It's one thing to bring uppossibilities, but to me, you sound combative to those who don't think it's real (and have good reason to think so). No matter how politely they poseit.<br><br>I just think you're irritating members, that's all. Half of this long thread are your posts with all this speculation. Just wait until you get the car.If you're happy with it, then fine. No matter what anyone says.<br><br>

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">gumpys wrote:</strong> <hr> Why all these posts and nonsense over a car that is 99.99 percent a Repaint. You asked us for our opinions and we give them, and they you just ignore them and still think the car is legit without even having it in your hand??? Also, if you think the car is legit looking at the picture's in the auction, I think you need some bye focal's, the paint in the wheel wells is spectra flame green, there appears to be a spot of blue paint on the front fender, I mean I wouldn't even take the gamble for 10 bucks let alone 100 . Also, Chris aka Jon Mclane is saying even if the car is for some million to one long shot real, it is still basically worthless, I mean there is no history on the car, no Mattel employee to verify it, etc, so you would have to find some Joe Shmoe that might give you a little money for it, but I doubt it. White Enamel Camaro's have a little history, not green one's, LOL. <br> My 2 cents, <br> Eric <br></blockquote>I don't ignore anyone's opinion not for a second. <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/smile.gif" alt="image"><br>I have seen many enamels that look spectra in the wheel wheels in photos. <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/tongue.gif" alt="image"><br>That spot of blue paint is not there in another pic of the same side. <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/tongue.gif" alt="image"><br>There is no history on the car? Never say never. <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/tongue.gif" alt="image"><br>White enamel Camaro's have a little history? Don't matter when there could be perfect<br>repaints undetected out there. <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/ohwell.gif" alt="image"> Certain one's do have a historythough.<br><br>Lol,I'm just joking around except for the first line. <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/smile.gif" alt="image"><br>Thank's for your imput though,much appreciated! <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/smile.gif" alt="image"><br><br><br>

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">hotbirdsplanes wrote:</strong> <hr><blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">TrueIceBlue wrote:</strong> <hr><blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">JonMcLane wrote:</strong> <hr> I think frankly even if it WAS real some how (which i'm fairly certain it isn't) you could never actually prove it to be real so its practically a moot point. <br></blockquote> <br> So I guess that statement includes ALL loose production Redlines also. <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/grin.gif" alt="image"><br></blockquote>No, it doesn't, and that's kind of a silly thing to say. Don't get carried away. This board has a lot of very knowledgeable members and most are just trying to help with their educated opinions. If you don't want to hear them, don't ask for them. It's one thing to bring up possibilities, but to me, you sound combative to those who don't think it's real (and have good reason to think so). No matter how politely they pose it. <br><br> I just think you're irritating members, that's all. Half of this long thread are your posts with all this speculation. Just wait until you get the car. If you're happy with it, then fine. No matter what anyone says. <br><br></blockquote>Yes your right,it is kind of a silly thing to say but if the car is legit in any way then it might as well be thrown away<br>because there is no proof..<br>Yes,I do want to hear members educated opinions and I followed them and bought the car. Honestly I take all opinions seriously and sometimes I am just playinaround<br>on a non-serious note. I'm not combative I;m just trying sometimes to have a little fun with this also but not at the expense of those not knowing. Sorry.<img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/tired.gif" alt="image"><br>Thank you for your input without a doubt! <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/smile.gif" alt="image"><br>Nothing wrong with speculation! <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/tongue.gif" alt="image"><br><br><br><br>

Milo, you seem to do this a lot.......Why is that? I can see if you ask the question and wait for the car but to run on and on and on.......<br><br>TCS

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">JonMcLane wrote:</strong> <hr><blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">TrueIceBlue wrote:</strong> <hr><blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">JonMcLane wrote:</strong> <hr> I think frankly even if it WAS real some how (which i'm fairly certain it isn't) you could never actually prove it to be real so its practically a moot point. <br></blockquote> <br> So I guess that statement includes most ALL Redlines. <img alt="image" src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/grin.gif"><br></blockquote> <br> of course not...... because most all redlines come in a color we know to have been used for that model (or prototypes in different colors that have come out of employee collections). I'm not saying it is out of the realm of possibility that it could be real but you would have a tough time convincing anyone of it without any provenance . <br><br></blockquote>"most" is the key word. Meaning,not all? <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/smile.gif" alt="image"><br>Don't hate me on this one,it's just my opinion. Good,bad,wise or not.<br>Only the good,wise one's should be said here in this post,on this board or else! So you better check yourself (note to myself).<br>(another note to myself) Don't even think of making another mistake. I mean opinion. Who care's anyhow my opinions are not takin in heed or inseriousness anyhow.<br>I guess I'm not asking the right questions,responding correctly,giving the "right" opinion and I should agree at all times and go with what themajority speaks especially if it is mostly a consensus.<br>I guess a lone voice don't count because it is absurd by standards,ethics and all morallity. <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/wink.gif" alt="image"><br><br>Actually my opinions,possiblitiy suggestions,answers in this whole post are mostly all based on things I learned here on the board in the past 6+ years.<br>Like it or not,It's true. But I will quite it now. <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/grin.gif" alt="image"><br><br><br><br><br>

CHECK PLEASE!<br><br><img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/wink.gif" alt="image">

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">The Central Scrutinizer wrote:</strong> <hr> Milo, you seem to do this a lot.......Why is that? I can see if you ask the question and wait for the car but to run on and on and on....... <br><br> TCS</blockquote>Sorry,I was going with the flow which I wrongly,unknowingly and unintentionally did and started so. Sorry to any and all.<br>I will be good boy now and go play with my Hot Wheels! <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/tongue.gif" alt="image"><br><br>

Hey! Wait a minute!! I did tone it down at #51 post. What happened? I got reeled back in?<br>Jeez......I should have kept quite at that point till the car came. See? It was all good all the sudden then<br>WHAM here we go again. I will restrain myself cause I know it is best. Check! Done!

bump...he he!

<p><img src="http://sshare1.familylobby.com/icons/icon_popcorn.gif" width="35" height="35" alt="image">.........Jeezzz.....Now you got me wanting the Cammynow..........<img src="http://sshare1.familylobby.com/icons/icon_popcorn.gif" width="35" height="35" alt="image">..............<img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/roll.gif" alt="image"><br><br></p>

This damm post is going to be longer than Gregs poetry thread.....<br><br>Oh and Scott thanks for the seizure.............

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Hey Chickluu, love the new Avatar! lololol. Loved the old one, too. Don't go changing anything on my account. Especially since I now have the power of theescape button. BWAAAAHHHHHaaaahhhaaaaa.<br><br>jim

<strong>Last Edited By: TrueIceBlue 07/23/09 4:29 PM. Edited 5 times.</strong><br><br>5 times?<br><br>Milo,you have to mean what you say,and say what you mean..lol.<br><br><br>All I can say is you, better be sure he keeps his word on the refund guarantee.<br><br>Frank

What would you do if someone "backdoored" your Camaro and it turned out to be real because to prcrastinated so long? I think you are waiting forsomeone to say "Hey, that IS enamel" but by then someone else will own it. If you weren't sure then you shouldn't have bid on it. I thinkthis is a Jerry Springer type post. We're tired of seeing it but we still look to see what else members write. lol.

This damm post is going to be longer than Gregs poetry thread.....<br>The hashing and rehashing still hasn't brought the horse back from the dead...

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">GPHWHEELS wrote:</strong> <hr> What would you do if someone "backdoored" your Camaro and it turned out to be real because to prcrastinated so long? I think you are waiting for someone to say "Hey, that IS enamel" but by then someone else will own it. If you weren't sure then you shouldn't have bid on it. I think this is a Jerry Springer type post. We're tired of seeing it but we still look to see what else members write. lol.</blockquote><br>lol! I thought that might happen so I contacted the seller and made sure he still had it<br>before I made payment 2 days ago. All was good. Yesterday I got a email stating my purchase will be shipped by paypal. <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/tongue.gif" alt="image"><br>In a earlier email I did ask the seller if the paint on the car looked redline spectraflame or redline enamel and he said it looked more enamel. <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/eek.gif" alt="image"><img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/wink.gif" alt="image"><br>I have bid on regular/irregular cars I was not sure about quite a few times and usually it came out all good. Hopefully this is the case with this enamelCamaro.<br><br>Let me ask another few questions: If the Camaro is checked out by me and a few fellow members in the Valley and the Camaro shows absolutley no<br>signs of being a repaint,color is dark green enamel(can't tell with auction pics sometimes) would I be able to call it as original even with nodocumentation?<br><br>Documentation could exsist just has not surfaced yet because of no inquiries (never crossed anyones mind) or the ex-employee died with the documentation<br>just packed away and forgotten or maybe even thrown away by family etc....I have seen rarities surface and sell with no history and still fetched a<br>pretty penny. I know this is speculation but like others have said "in the redline world,never say never". I am sure there will be more unknownoriginal<br>Redlines that will surface needing varification (from pro's) without documintation. Is this possible? Maybe Mattel scrapped the enamel dark green Camarofor unknown reasons<br>so any documintation was discarded at the Mattel factory/offices etc...? <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/grin.gif" alt="image"><br>Can legit prototype,ex-employee,salesman sample,lunch car redlines etc...with lost or forgotten history/documintation still be embrased by some or will they be<br>considered worthless by all even though legit? <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/tongue.gif" alt="image"> Does anyone here havea rarity with no history/documentation? Or is it hush hush?<br><br>Don't anyone get mad or take these questions personal, I am just trying to learn more here as always. <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/ohwell.gif" alt="image"><br>9 years of extensive collecting and extensive learning about redlines has taught me a lot so I hope to have<br>at least some merit. <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/tired.gif" alt="image"><br><br><br><br>

<blockquote> If the Camaro is checked out by me and a few fellow members in the Valley and the Camaro shows absolutley no <br> signs of being a repaint,color is dark green enamel(can't tell with auction pics sometimes) would I be able to call it as original even with no documentation?</blockquote><br><br>In my opinion, no. But I base my opinion on being an antiques dealer and with most antiques you really need to cross your T's and dot your I's withverified provenance. To be honest, the redline world doesn't work that way right now. I've seen collectors drop thousands of dollars on a car justbecause someone says is a "salesman's sample" with no verification, no documentation, no proof and no provenance. Just the word of the seller(hey you know me buddy, would I lie to you? It's a salesman sample, really!)<br><br>Right now many of the rarest and most valuable redlines have documentation and known history ... but a newly discovered prototype can still be documented.There are many former Mattel employees who could verify whether or not Camaros were test-painted in green enamel or any other enamel color other than the knownwhite ones. And there's a lot of paperwork floating around that documents certain production aspects of HWs. You just have to figure out how to contactthe former employees and those who have acquired the paperwork, and ask.<br><br>It's not difficult to make a perfect, undectable repaint forgery, we only catch the obvious ones. There are already too many undocumented"rare" and "prototype" and "unique" cars floating around with no documentation, and it's only going to get worse. Sooner orlater, collectors will wise up and stop paying big bucks for something that is really nothing unless there's PROOF. <br><br>OK I'll get off my rant now. Point is, right now you can call that green Camaro any kind of unique proto you want. And maybe if you can line up somehigh-profile collectors to agree with you, the redline world will agree it's the real deal too. But down the road, it's just going to be anotherCamaro unless you get real authentication from an employee who was there and saw it painted, or a Mattel memo saying "test enamel green on some '68castings to see if they would be appropriate for the '73 lineup" or whatever.<br><br>