What would your decision be....

I just don't understand what is wrong with taking a big stump of pine lying some child molesters head on it and choping it off.<br><br>So someone robs a bank.......chop there arms off...... taaadaaa simple simon!!<br><br>Some jack ass breaks into you house and takes everything you spent the last ten years paying for......you should get to snap there head off and watch it forfree on ppv...<br><br>*****I just don't understand why some folks can't understand this is the best way to go, Quick and easy....Forget big jails and prisons noo more, Justchop and throw them in a hole buy buy...........$$$$$ Then we could take alll the money we save and fix the roads and take care of our own that need help.....<br><br><br>*********Chop Chop*******************<img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/tongue.gif" alt="image">

<blockquote> I just checked the results in the various primaries. Hillary is all but toast and will be bringing President Obama his paper and slippers serving as the lady of the house, the Vice President of the United States. Then things may begin to change for the kiddies of the world! Yee Haw!!!<img src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" alt="image" height="15" width="15"></blockquote>Pardon?? Where do you get your results, the Obama campaign HQ? So far they have one little state each and the two big fish are still too close tocall.<br>Paper and slippers????? For as progressive as you like to make yourself out to be that is one heck of a sexist comment.<br>

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">redlines68 wrote:</strong> <hr> LMAO! Actually i couldnt pass up that comment Andy made... <br><br><blockquote> The higher costs associated with housing the worstwould easily be offset by not housing those who commit lesser drugand property crimes. </blockquote>LMAO. So Just set the rest free and have all other sorts of crime running rampant on the streets. Crime that would eventually lead to murder as well. For what? All so we can be happy with ourselves for not having the DP? That makes sense. <br></blockquote><p> Okay, we're goin' down the right path here now. Just a bit at a time. No Justin, I'm not saying let 'em all out to flood the streets. Lawshave to change and an investment in the young has to occur (Greg), so there's a lesser chance they'll wind up there. Give those in for lesser thanviolent or sexual or major property or drug crimes an opportunity to get out, serve some community service and smarten up. It works in Canada, communityservice sentences have become more and more popular and are proven to work and lessen the $$$ spent on just tossin' people in the can where they only,ONLY, learn far worse. I have thought other methods for attaining a more desireable society for those cost conscious folks that are far less barbaric than theDP. Check the pedigree of families, any who don't make the desired cut, spray 'em with something that renders them sterile. Hey, no killin'goin' on. Just a little preventative medicine for society. <img height="15" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" width="15" alt="image"></p>

I have another idea. In Canada, there are about 6 major banks. Together, they are running away with 100s of billions of dollars profit year after year. I sayshut them all down, seize the assets, set up 1 giant Community Credit Union, and spend the reduced profits on social things like the Old Age Homes in Ontarioand elsewhere that are in serious $$$ difficulty, or better schools and food programs for all just like they have in England, or access for lower income peopleto be able to borrow to buy a modest house and become enfranchised in society. I attended school in England as a child, and the diff between here and therewas and is so worlds apart. They too unfortunately have been blowing huge $$$ on prosecuting illegal wars in recent years. <img height="15" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" width="15" alt="image"><p><br></p>

Andy. Your intentions are well meaning but lets look at this. <br><br> Youre telling me that we should be more leaniant on the smaller fish to have money for housing the bigger ones (scum of the earth type) right? In turn we make the penalty for lesser crimes like theft, burglary, and drug dealers more leniant. In short in stead of being thrown in prison they get to take part in special programs to teach them the error of their ways? Am i with you so far? So in turn this lesser punishment will free up our budget for housing the scum of the earth. Thus making it more affoardable to keep them in for life. And it will lead to better rehabilitating criminals of lesser crimes? It all sounds good. <br><br> How much does this alternative prison program cost and let me know what the success rate is of rehabilitating these criminals. Chances are im willing to bet all the rousources and money needed to rehabilitate every criminal in the US thats convicted of lesser crimes outside of prisons via special programs would be far more staggering than that spent currently keeping them in prison. So again wed simply be putting ourselves through alot more money and trouble then to simply kill the scum and invest the money in community programs to keep them out of prison altogether. <br>

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">sverrefehn wrote:</strong> <hr><blockquote> I just checked the results in the various primaries. Hillary is all but toast and will be bringing President Obama his paper and slippers serving as the lady of the house, the Vice President of the United States. Then things may begin to change for the kiddies of the world! Yee Haw!!!<img height="15" alt="image" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" width="15"></blockquote>Pardon?? Where do you get your results, the Obama campaign HQ? So far they have one little state each and the two big fish are still too close to call. <br> Paper and slippers????? For as progressive as you like to make yourself out to be that is one heck of a sexist comment. <br></blockquote><p> I'm not very sexist except in a joking manner. If Hillary were to be the one to win the nomination, and a Democrat I am, that would be great, andtherefore what I would have said was President Hillary would have been brought her slippers by VP Obama, but then I guess someone would have then pulled therace card. The presidential election hasn't begun yet, but I'd give you 100-1 odds that no Republican will see the Whitehouse for a very long time, andI dare say neither the Senate or H of Reps. Hillary or Obama will be it, and it looks a lot like it will be Obama. I worked for years in a law firm whichemployed over 45 women. Talk about sexist comments, maybe you've never been in a room full of women having their girlie chats over lunch or coffee break.No bunch of guys in a bar, a sports changeroom, any of the stereotypical guy hangouts, etc....even comes close, believe me on that. They can be aninterestingly disgusting creature in that type of environment!<img height="15" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" width="15" alt="image"></p>

Greg!, I knew you couldn't stay away from this thread, you too, like me, still have faith that the monkeys will someday climb outta that rut their in allclobbering each other. Oh Oh, now I'm gonna get it for the monkey comment. For entertainment purposes, here's another of my sweeping generalizationsfor your consideration. Ya know the movie Planet of The Apes? Okay,..........right wingers are those nastier apes dressed in tan leather and ride horses. Leftwingers are the more cerebral type scientific types played in part by Roddy McDowell (ones dressed in darker green). <img height="15" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" width="15" alt="image"><p><br></p>

<blockquote> How much does this alternative prison program cost and let me know what the success rate is of rehabilitating these criminals. Chances are im willing to bet all the rousources and money needed to rehabilitate every criminal in the US thats convicted of lesser crimes outside of prisons via special programs would be far more staggering than that spent currently keeping them in prison.</blockquote>The cost, we'll it's a whole lot cheaper than your average Prison term. When you go through an alternative program, you actually pay toplay. Sure the courts have to pay something to have someone monitor you, but you pay towards your programs. Succes rate? Far better than prison returnrates! Without changing and teaching someone, the person never finds change, never learns to change the mindset. If you don't try, then you just do what90% of the courts do today, stack big terms on the convict and toss away the keys. Hardly trying to do anything about anything, but playing the out of sightout of mind, game. Not dealing with it, is living in the 1930's and taking an uneducated route. Typical for the leadership in this country. Victimlesscrimes, shouldn't be doing time. <br>

Here here Chris! I knew you were a guy of substance all along, not to leave out the others. If you give them the info, most of them will come around. It'sa very very contentious and visceral issue. <img height="15" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" width="15" alt="image"><p><br></p>

About the victimless crime thing Chris mentioned, a person consuming illegal drugs is the main one. The act of smoking a piece of crack only makes a victim ofthe user. Only when inavailability due to cost drives a person to crime, does any real crime take place, i.e. robbery, theft, even murder, etc......Big timedrug importers get life, although if safe pure lab or pharmaceutical cocaine or heroine was available, the money would be taken right out of the equationreducing various types of crime by up to 50%. Cost to produce 1 gram of pure heroine,.........3 cents,..............yes $0.03, ..............0.03c.Availability of clinical heroine and cocaine to addicts in a region of Soho in England, has cleaned the neighbourhood up, and reduced crime DRAMATICALLY. Thebusiness people are happy, the residents are happy, and most of all, the Police are happy. Everybody is happy because it costs so so little and the results areabsolutely phenominal. All the while the addicts are given their fix and counselled and in most cases, eventually realize and break free. Even the junkie wouldrather just get his fix without all the crime. One way or another, the drugs WILL be in the picture somewhere. Just better in our control and not the mob orthe CIA. Andy<img height="15" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" width="15" alt="image"><p><br></p>