You really want Obama to be the next President of the U.S.A?

Thanks 6 pak for clearing that up, and Jamie I am just saying you never know, I dont care what group there in, they all praise to that bs god allah, and anyonethat believes that garbage should not be President, PLAIN AND SIMPLE. Call me what you want, but what happened to our country on 911 was because of Allahbelievers. I know htere is good muslims and islams, but this country is crazy trying to put one in office, My 2 cents. <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/tongue.gif" alt="image"><br>Eric

Once and for all, Obama is not Muslim!<br><br><br>He's Jewish. Look and see.<br><br><img src="http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080724/capt.5fb26477303d4e3aaa0c2506e3cfafb9.obama_mideast__isrh107.jpg" alt="image"><br><br><br>Besides, would Israel like him so much if he were Muslim?<br>- Absolutely not!<br><br>If he were Muslim would he get campaign donations from AIPAC?<br>- Hardly.<br><br>If he were Muslim would Israel have allowed him to advance this far in the election?<br>- Not a chance!<br><br>Now, don't get me wrong. He'd make just as bad a president as McCain but to vote against him without critically analyzing the propaganda is, well,it's downright <img src="http://www.photobucket.com/albums/0703/NewfieRose/EMOTICONS/ef5530ce.gif" alt="image">.<br><br>"Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve." ~ George Bernard Shaw<br><br>Gramps<br>

I'll be very surprised if Obama is elected, IMHO there are too many people who won't vote for him because of personal issues, some because he is black,some because he may be a closet Muslim, some because of his inexperience, some just because we don't know enough about him. Others just because theydon't trust him. So they will vote for the only other choice. And many will cast their vote for McCain because they feel that he is the most qualified ofthe two candidates. Put it all together and it spells McCain... <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/eyes.gif" alt="image">Michael

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">gumpys wrote:</strong> <hr> Thanks 6 pak for clearing that up, and Jamie I am just saying you never know, I dont care what group there in, they all praise to that bs god allah, and anyone that believes that garbage should not be President, PLAIN AND SIMPLE. Call me what you want, but what happened to our country on 911 was because of Allah believers. I know htere is good muslims and islams, but this country is crazy trying to put one in office, My 2 cents. <img alt="image" src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/tongue.gif"><br> Eric</blockquote><p> I was just pointing out that the two groups are very different, and he is supposedly associated with one and not the other. I don't want a muslim ofany form in the office of President either. I can't vote for him or McCain, neither will be good for us. I will most likely vote for Bob Barr. Grantedhe won't win, but at least my vote will go to the candidate I can stand behind with good conscience. The Republican party has a candidate that wants tolean to the center to try to get more support, and the Democratic party has a candidate who is into slogans but hasn't said anything. Change we canbelieve in--what change exactly?? Go Libertarian, smaller government, lower taxes, more freedom.<br><br>"If he were Muslim would Israel have allowed him to advance this far in the election?<br>- Not a chance!" Gramps, your conspiracy theories always make me smile! <img src="http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif"></p>

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">Charger68 wrote:</strong> <hr> What do you know about the "American Experience" Mike?? <br><br> Later, Dave</blockquote><p> I am going to grit my teeth and try real hard to be civil to you.Here goes. At the risk of repeating myself I know one thing for sure about the"American experience". The separation of church and state is a fundamental part of the "American experience".<br></p>

I think ya need to grit em' harder and worry about your own piece of land...eh? And until you CAN truly experience it as a CITIZEN of the US i don'tthink you have the right to pass judgement on our government, you can't vote and therefore do NOT have a say. Just as I don't in your country.<br><br>Later, Dave

<blockquote> ...and electronic voting machines are rigged far too easily. Besides...the "sanctioned" candidates are far too similar to make much difference anyway. <br><br> What we need is a real third party involved. <br><br> But until that day comes....</blockquote>Dave,<br><br>If the electronic voting machines are so easily rigged, who is it that is doing the rigging? Is it the Republicans, and if so, why aren't the Democratsscreaming bloody murder - and how would you explain November 2006? Is it the Democrats, and if so, why aren't the Republicans screaming bloody murder -and how would you explain the last two presidential elections? Or is it, as Gramps calls them, "the people in and behind the government" - and ifso, are the Republicans and Democrats complicit with these people (and if so, is all the hatred between the two parties just an act?)?<br><br>Lastly, if indeed the electronic machines are all rigged and there is some great conspiracy, what difference would a third party make?<br><br><blockquote> Gramps, your conspiracy theories always make me smile! <img src="http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif" alt="image"></blockquote>There's a mysterious black van permanently parked around the corner from Gramps house...<br><br>Doug

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">Charger68 wrote:</strong> <hr> I think ya need to grit em' harder and worry about your own piece of land...eh? And until you CAN truly experience it as a CITIZEN of the US i don't think you have the right to pass judgement on our government, you can't vote and therefore do NOT have a say. Just as I don't in your country. <br><br> Later, Dave</blockquote><p> I think I'll do as I please.If you don't like it i suggest you focus on wondering where your head is at again.---mike<br></p>

No need, your head is already in the way......eh?<br><br>Later, Dave

it seems a bit wacky that people are arguing about not wanting a muslim president, seeing as how NEITHER candidate is muslim. its common knowledge that obamahas been a practicing christian since the mid 80's, years before he even got started in politics. its preposterous to entertain the idea that he is somesort of closet radical muslim seeking the presidency in order to undermine and overthrow our government, i.e. the anti christ. its frightening to think that inthis day and age people still believe in biblical endtimes nonsense.<br><br>as far as allah goes, i hate to break it to some people here, but technically, "that bs god allah" is the same god as the christian AND jewish god.all three religions stem from the god of abraham, they just disagree about the divinity of christ, among many other things. that's the irony that reallymakes the hatred between these religions totally absurd, that they all pray to the SAME GOD, but hate each other for the way they celebrate and worship him. toinsinuate that all muslims are inherintly bad is no different than claiming that all christians are cross burning klansmen. all western religions have branchesthat cross the spectrum from loving, peaceful coexistence to violent, deep seated hatred of all things different from their beliefs. it is ignorant andhypocritcal to hate another religion because it has factions that commit evil in the name of their god. all religions have this problem. ever hear of thecrusades? how about the holocaust? do these church sanctioned events make all christians evil? why should the actions of of radical muslims make all believersof that faith bad people? at the end of the day, no one really knows who is right about god and the afterlife. to claim that one religion is good and right andall others are not, based on no hard facts whatsoever, only makes a fool out of the believer.

Dave and I don't always see eye to eye, but I must agree with him on this. Why be worried about the politics of a country other than your own? I can barelykeep up with my own, and I really would not argue with citizens of another country concerning their political landscape.

Doug...<br><br>Whazza matter? Did I touch a nerve?<br><br>My main point was that it doesn't matter...the powers behind the gov't(s) have it pegged from many different angles. By why bother trying toexplain....just take the red pill....or take the blue one and go back to reading Anne Coulter coffee table books. The "differences" between the twoparties is simply a smokescreen to make us think we actually have a choice. I'll be putting my tin foil hat on again now....<br><br>As far as why the mid term Dems haven't lived up to their promises....that's a real head scratcher for sure. I have been disappointed in our"elected" officials for as long as I have been able to vote. No biggie. If people want EMPIRE that's fine with me...just don't drag me downwith you.<br><br>And to Eric (gumpy's):<br><br>How dare you call anyone else's god "bs?" People like you are the reason for violence. Heck, I feel violent just reading your comments! Allthrough history religious differences have caused more pain and suffering than all the terrorist acts combined. So p*ss off with that rhetoric. Or maybe turnthe other cheek and share some understanding and try to EVOLVE. You have a right to worship your god in this country just as I have a right to worship adifferent one.

canadians and every other country in the world have a very good reason to be worried about u.s. politics. u.s. foreign policy is adversely affecting theeconomies and stability of the entire world. why should u.s. citizenship be a requirement to be concerned about the future of the planet?<br><br>in response to an earlier post, seperation of church and state is most definitely not a christian principle. that's like saying its the goal of yourfavorite football team is to NOT win the super bowl.<br><br>like daspanic said, in reality, all this arguing over who is a better choice for president is a waste of time in the first place. the president has about asmuch control over the course of this country as the queen of england has over the u.k. it does'nt matter who you vote for, the power behind the throne isset on its course and the common man no longer has strength to overthrow that power. the government learned a valuable lesson from the cultural revolution ofthe late 60's. they found out the hard way that their worst enemy is the educated, financially secure citizen, smart enough to spot injustice andeconomically stable enough to take action. the systematic destruction of the middle class and our public education system has paved the way for the governmentto do what they want, when they want, because who cares about the government tapping your phone, when you're struggling just to pay the bill? why read timemagazine when the new episode of flavor of love is going to be on in ten minutes? we have all been had, we're just too stupid to realize it.

Having the right to be worried or concerned, and arguing the politics of a country one is not a citizen of and cannot vote in is two entirely different things.I can be concerned about what is going on in France, but I won't get in an argument between French people and tell them who they should or should not votefor in their country.

Bingo.....................<br><br>Dave

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">6pak69 wrote:</strong> <hr> I don't think that Canadians are any better off at this point. You folks have a real head scratcher come November. I would vote for Ron Paul if I could.---mike <br></blockquote><p> so exactly where in this post does mike tell anyone who to vote for? seems to me like he's expressing a personal preference. did i miss something?</p>

Just your daily reminder to keep it chilled out people. Mike and Charger Dave are skirting the edge of civility - about ready to teeter off. Take the personalstuff offline fellas.

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">jamwood1 wrote:</strong> <hr> Having the right to be worried or concerned, and arguing the politics of a country one is not a citizen of and cannot vote in is two entirely different things. I can be concerned about what is going on in France, but I won't get in an argument between French people and tell them who they should or should not vote for in their country.</blockquote><p> </p> i see. so, its okay for our country to stick our nose in the business of nearly every other country in the world, using money, military, ANDreligion to shape the social and economic landscape of the globe, but the people adversely affected by this bullying should not be allowed to voice an opinionon it because they don't live here? maybe you feel that way, but thats your opinion, not a rule of law. you really don't have the right to tell anyonewhat they can or can't say, whether you like it or not. nice analogy, but france is'nt steering the world towards extinction. if it was i'mwilling to bet you would have something to say about it. for good measure, i should repeat the fact that no one told anyone else who to vote for in the firstplace, so you're basically arguing a point that has no foundation to begin with...

You are correct, he said who NOT to vote for. Also, you are correct, anyone is entitled to an opinion about anything, but what is "a rule of law" isyou have to live here and be a citizen to vote, which is the only time opinion on politics really counts.<br><br>According to you, Mike is entitled to his opinion, but I am not. What a double standard you have created here.<br><br>America is steering the world towards extinction? Wow, what a grim view of this country you have. There is no place on this planet I would rather live. I lovemy country and am not going to argue with you about this anymore.<br><br>All this because I voiced my opinion......but I am not entitled to it, only Mike is. <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/roll.gif" alt="image">

Steve's "Moderator Test Thread"!!!<br><br>Who loves you baby!!!!<img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/ohwell.gif" alt="image"><br><br><br><br><br><br><img src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" alt="image"><br>

I feel people who live outside the US should be concerned about this election year. I think Canada and Mexico definitely need to be concerned. I have noproblem with them voicing their opinions on this matter.<br>If my neighbors house is on fire I'm going to warn them, call 911, grab a garden hose and try to help put the fire out. I'm going to do this even if Idon't like their lifestyle, their yard looks like crap, and their kids are brats. I'm going to do it to try and stop the flames from getting to myhouse.<br><br>The last serious 3rd party contender was Ross Perot. I voted for him. People made fun of his charts, his big ears, and his squeaky voice. Having a running matethat doses off at the podium during a debate didn't help him much either. I want both candidates to tell us their VP choices, stop being coy and tell us.He did warn us of a "giant sucking sound" which would be the loss of wealth and jobs in this country. I think we're seeing it now.<br><br>I respect John McCain. He's a combat veteran, and a P.O.W. He was nearly killed again when a aircraft carrier he was stationed on caught fire. He was inthe cockpit of a fighter plane when the fire erupted, and barely managed to escape from the fighter while bombs were exploding on deck. He deserves respect,he's earned it.<br><br>I disagree with McCain's stance on Iraq. He feels we may be in Iraq for 100 years. I know he means we will have a military base there, like we have inJapan, Germany. We have a military base in Kuwait, I don't think we need one in Iraq too. I also don't like that he is hinting about some sort ofaction in Iran. That scares me. Obama's plan is to have troops out of Iraq by 2010.<br><br>I disagree with some of his energy plan. He wants to build 45 nuclear power plants as part of his strategy. Again that scares me, it is a dangerous method tosolve our energy crisis. I think of 3 Mile Island when I think of nuclear energy. I'm also afraid they would become a target for a terrorist attack. Obamahas wind and solar power plants as part of his strategy. I do feel that some of the strategic oil reserves needs to be released to help drop the price of oil.Some will argue that we should only use that for a emergency, in a time of war. We have a war in Iraq, we have a war in Afghanistan, and we have a war onterror. Let some of the oil loose! Give us a break.<br><br>I still want to hear a more clear cut strategy from both candidates on immigration and the economy......<br><br>Hi Steve.....<img height="15" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/wavehello.gif" width="25" alt="image"><br><br><br>

<blockquote> I still want to hear a more clear cut strategy from both candidates on immigration and the economy......</blockquote>Now THAT is funny! Dream on Brother! The only thing clear cut will be each of them pointing out the others faults, clear as the sky...<br>All I hear about it "change", whatever that means.<br><br>H. Ross Perot blew it for the third party momentum...remember how everyone was energized about this movement, just to have him drop out, then get back in? People were very excited about a third party with potential. It would have been interesting politics today if he would have stayed course. We could haveactually had a viable third party...bummer...<br><br>Coming soon to a television and radio near you: Campaign ads with smoke and mirrors, lies, deception, mud slinging, and more lies, deception, and mudslinging...<br><br><br><br><br><br><img src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" alt="image"><br>

<blockquote> Coming soon to a television and radio near you: Campaign ads with smoke and mirrors, lies, deception, mud slinging, and more lies, deception, and mud slinging... <br></blockquote> <br>Thats why Im not voting, like George Carlin said <strong>Its all BS</strong>...Ive had enough of the BS...<br>Until there is a real 3rd party we have no choice, period...<br><br><br>DON

"Most people in this country are too stupid to pick a candidate..."<br><br>Thank you Dave, easily the most enlightened and validated response, regarding this thread, INCLUDING the original topic. I can't believe that you guysactually are debating the merits of a mass email? Did you also help the Nigerian Prince out? Buy the pills to cure your EDD or better yet, so you could lastmore than 30 seconds? Get the cure for your Male Pattern Baldness yet? Order your cheap Vicodin yet? I surely hope you didn't forget to FORWARD THIS EMAILto 10 friends right now, so your every wish will be granted! Are you really this toolish and did you really buy this?<br><br>Read what Dave said again, and learn from your past mistakes, stop talking effin' politics already. I literally feel dumber, just reading this CRAP. Icouldn't even tell you the last time I even "opened" a mass mail, let alone wasted my time actually reading it!<br><br>It's about time for a moratorium on these types of threads, you've earned it.<br><br>Dumb &amp; Dumber,<br>Chris

Politics - "Over and Out"<br>Can't please everybody!<br>Now lets talk religion <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/roll.gif" alt="image"><br><br>Rich

Rich, two demerits for you!

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">jamwood1 wrote:</strong> <hr> Dave and I don't always see eye to eye, but I must agree with him on this. Why be worried about the politics of a country other than your own? I can barely keep up with my own, and I really would not argue with citizens of another country concerning their political landscape.</blockquote><p> I don't see myself as arguing about U.S politics with anyone on this thread. However I could if I wished.And I will anytime I choose.Just because therest of the world holds no interest to you does not mean that everyone else should have the same inward looking view that you seem to embrace.Just soyou're clear. What happens in our countries(Canada and the U.S) politically -has a profound effect on our respective societies.My comments on this threadare respectful and courteous.I do not regret or apologize for any of them. Did you know that I live almost 2000 miles from Toronto?---mike<br></p>

<p>edited for lack of interest</p>

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">jamwood1 wrote:</strong> <hr><blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">6pak69 wrote:</strong> <hr><blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">jamwood1 wrote:</strong> <hr> Dave and I don't always see eye to eye, but I must agree with him on this. Why be worried about the politics of a country other than your own? I can barely keep up with my own, and I really would not argue with citizens of another country concerning their political landscape. </blockquote> <p>I don't see myself as arguing about U.S politics with anyone on this thread. However I could if I wished.And I will anytime I choose.Just because the rest of the world holds no interest to you does not mean that everyone else should have the same inward looking view that you seem to embrace.</p> </blockquote> <p>I will because I can and you can't stop me! LOL, that's great. I just asked why you would get involved, but I love the juvenile answer. Also, you know nothing about me or what I care about, so don't claim to know what view I embrace. Read what I said, I never said I had no interest in the rest of the world, I said I would not get involved in the politics of other countries that I am not a citizen of as I have no bearing on them. But hey, you can say what you want when you want, and have an opinion about anything you want, which seems to be the most important thing to you!</p></blockquote><p> You got it. Don't be telling me I don't have the right to express my opinion about whatever I want to.Its called freedom of speech. I will exerciseit whenever I wish. Its not juvenile. Its the Canadian way. Tens of thousands of my countrymen have died to preserve this freedom. If you don't like itCHANGE THE CHANNEL.---mike<br></p>

Dave, thats why I said its MY 2 Cents, I am not trying to argue with anyone over stupid Obama, thats your opinion on me, and well I dont care and respect iteither way. I respect everyone opinions/ believes/ views on this board, just letting out my 2 cents. These post are just crap anyway, every time the same bshappens. I am not doing politics no more. <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/laugh.gif" alt="image"><br>Eric

I thought this was all put to bed?<br><br>Later, Dave

So did I.<br>Maybe Chris wanted to see if everyone would just stop posting on their own, without having to close the thread. That is, if anyone read his post that'sstuck at the top of this forum.<br><br>

<blockquote> Order your cheap Vicodin yet</blockquote>Chris can you email me that addy?<br>lol<br>Pete

<blockquote> <h3 class="quote-title">PeepingScott said:</h3> <hr> I'm having a Revelation, Chrish 2:84 "This post is finished"</blockquote><br>Scotto, FTW! (Modern usage: "For The Win," not what it stood for back in the ancient days)<br><br>Write this one down, folks. I agree with <a target="_blank" href="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/reply/146457/t/You-really-want-Obama-to-be-the-next-President-of-the-U-S-A-.html#reply-146457">Gramps on this one</a>.<br><br>Dave, grit your teeth for this one: I feel that 6pak69 Mike is entitled to an opinion in this thread just as anyone else is. The question isn't who youplan to vote for, but a discussion whether people feel they really want Barak Obama to become the next president of the US. With Canada being one of ourclosest allies in both geographic and political terms and our countries share our main defense network (NORAD), it definitely should be of interest who is incharge of the US, just as well as we Americans should be interested in who is in charge in Canada. The same goes for our RLOL friends and associates in Mexico.<br><br>Thhhbpt.

<p><img height="36" src="http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/party/party-smiley-028.gif" width="50" alt="image">Edited because I just remembered, I don'tcare!</p>

We've agreed before Kitty. Um... I think.<br><br>And another rarity is that I agree with Mike. He, along with every other person in the world, has a vested interest in what happens here. Their lives are justas much at stake as ours. More so in most cases.<br><br>In fact, I say we should let Mike pick the new president!<br><br>Gramps<br>

Pick it? He should run for it!

"Chris can you email me that addy?"<br><br>Pete, in a minute, I just found out I won the lotto, I just have to deposit 20 Grand in an offshore bank first. I can't believe it I won the effin' L OT T O! Check me out.<br><br>(Shhhhh! Don't say anything, let them keep arguing about this mass email, it's getting really good again, and I'm on pins-n-needles to see whatthey say next. Psst, don't tell them it's dumb, let them find out all by themselves, it's way funnier that way).<br><br>Pete, I'll get the email for you sir.<br><br>Vykout,<br>Chris

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<p>Wow you won the lotto......<img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/eek.gif" alt="image"><br><br>psssssssst........ Steve I called Geico they wanted more than Mercury so you may want to call them.</p>