Amy Winehouse - WTF!

She is a very talented singer - listen to some of her other work.<br><br>As a society, we are all one. If something goes wrong with your big toe, you can't pretend like it's somehow separate from your body, and then hate itfor "going wrong".<br><br>And so it is with people; we are indeed all responsible for each other, no matter how much we'd like to think we don't have to be. It is indeed us whopropel these people to fame, and it is indeed us who are responsible for their behavior.<br><br>I'm not making excuses for her; she has made some unfortunate choices and must be accountable for them.<br><br>But, again, I advocate compassion... she is a highly talented, and yet very ill woman. Quite often great talent comes with great sickness... it's tragic...<br><br>Greg

Everybody's got a story. Grab a number, take a chair.<br><br><br><br><br><br>I miss Janis.<br>

I think she's talented and has great pipes, but Like many artists before her and after her, she's pretty messed up (most super creatives have issues).What she looks like is only secondary to her talent INMHO.

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">groggerbug wrote:</strong> <br><br> As a society, we are all one. If something goes wrong with your big toe, you can't pretend like it's somehow separate from your body, and then hate it for "going wrong". <br><br> And so it is with people; we are indeed all responsible for each other, no matter how much we'd like to think we don't have to be. It is indeed us who propel these people to fame, and it is indeed us who are responsible for their behavior. <br><br> I'm not making excuses for her; she has made some unfortunate choices and must be accountable for them. <br><br> But, again, I advocate compassion... she is a highly talented, and yet very ill woman. Quite often great talent comes with great sickness... it's tragic... <br><br> Greg</blockquote><center> <strong>I WANDERED LONELY AS A CLOUD <br> William Wordsworth</strong></center><p style="MARGIN-TOP: 1em">I wandered lonely as a cloud:<br>That floats on high over vales and hills,<br>When all at once I saw a crowd,<br>A host of golden daffodils;<br>Beside the lake, beneath the trees,<br>Fluttering and dancing in the breeze.</p><p>Continuous as the stars<br>that shine and twinkle on the Milky Way,<br>They stretched in never-ending line<br>along the margin of a bay:<br>Ten thousand saw I at a glance,<br>tossing their heads in sprightly dance.</p><p>The waves beside them danced; but they<br>Out-did the sparkling waves in glee:<br>A poet could not but be gay,<br>in such a jocund company:<br>I gazed - and gazed - but little thought<br>what wealth the show to me had brought:</p><p>For oft, when on my couch I lie<br>In vacant or in pensive mood,<br>They flash upon that inward eye<br>Which is the bliss of solitude;<br>And then my heart with pleasure fills,<br>And dances with the daffodils.</p><p>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>"As a society, we are all one." (Like the daffodils swaying in unison)<br>That is so transcendental...I think I tasted a little vomit and heard Herman Melville rustle in his grave. You would enjoy reading the likes of Emerson,Longfellow, and Steinbeck.<br><br>"And so it is with people; we are indeed all responsible for each other, no matter how much we'd like to think we don't have to be. It is indeedus who propel these people to fame, and it is indeed us who are responsible for their behavior."<br><br>"Us" responsible for "them?" Lemme guess: Democrat.<br><br>"...she has made some unfortunate choices and must be accountable for them."<br> AMEN. Now there's a lick of sense after all.<br><br>I can be compassionate. It's unfortunate and I hope she gets help. But neither I, nor society as a whole, made her do anything to jack herself up likethat. That's a big cop out.<br><br>It's a thing called problem ownership. If I cop out and say "society made me this way," then I will never get myself right because I can alwaysscapegoat other people for my bad decisions.<br><br>And the sad part is, there are people out there willing to take the yoke of responsibility upon their shoulders for *my* mistakes. Whatever.<br><br>My motto: You are responsible for you.</p>My second motto: If you see me dancing with the daffodils, shoot my retarded ass.

Joel, dude... whoa...<br><br>First of all - democrat? No; I'm a human being and am registered "independent".<br><br>You're twisting my words and then using them to hit me over the head with the "liberal" stereotype.<br><br>I never said we "made" her jack herself up. That was her choice alone. However, we did in fact make her a celebrity, and gave her the power andresponsibility that go with it. And some individuals can handle that pressure better than others.<br><br>We all have to shoulder the burden of others mistakes. That's the way society works. Unless you are a survivalist living in a cabin in the woods and arecompletely self-reliant without any interaction with other human beings, you have to share the burden of societal responsibility. And that means beingresponsible for the gamut of human behavior. We don't always like it, but that's how it works. Anything else would be anarchy.<br><br>And while I do advocate compassion, I also advocate a "tough love" approach. Or in other words, bringing people to own, and be responsible for, theirchoices when those choices have had an adverse effect on overall society.<br><br>Oh, and I loved the poem, thanks. I'll be a happy "retarded ass" dancing amongst the daffodils anytime.<br><br>Greg

<strong>Crack smoking %%$*.........<img height="17" alt="image" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/thumbdown.gif" width="29"></strong><br><br><strong>I like how Hollywood sent out the message to the youth of America and elsewhere........<br><br>Do drugs, turn into a skank, go to rehab, fail rehab, have a hit record, and win multiple Grammys including best new artist!<br><br>Jesus Christ, what's this world coming to? <img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" width="20" alt="image"></strong><br><br>

<strong>Jeeze, can't use the word "s l u t" anymore?</strong>

<blockquote> "And so it is with people; we are indeed all responsible for each other, no matter how much we'd like to think we don't have to be. It is indeed us who propel these people to fame, and it is indeed us who are responsible for their behavior." <br></blockquote><br><br><blockquote> I can be compassionate. It's unfortunate and I hope she gets help. But neither I, nor society as a whole, made her do anything to jack herself up like that. That's a big cop out. <br><br> It's a thing called problem ownership. If I cop out and say "society made me this way," then I will never get myself right because I can always scapegoat other people for my bad decisions. <br><br></blockquote><font color="#0000FF" size="4">Greg, my actions did not make that girl a celebrity, nor did my actions get her hooked on crack or meth or whatevershe's addicted to. <br><br>I completely agree with you Joel. One thing I always teach my kids is "be responsible for yourself. If you do something wrong, admit it. Don't blamesomeone else."<br><br><br>~Karen</font>

I still can't believe she's only 23 yrs old. <img src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" alt="image"><br><br>She looks older....much older! <br><br>~Joe<br>

Hello? (tap, tap) Is this thing working??<br><br>Y'all can get back to your hatefest - I'll stop interrupting.