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Greg...i have no problem with gays...none at all. just don't want their way of life shoved in my face because i don't agree with it, but i can betolerant of it.

Gosh, all I was doing was pointing out how some activist Judges overrode what the California people want, and that is to recognize marriage between a man and awoman...<br>The Judges STOLE our vote...plain and simple...STOLE it.<br><br>Lots of interesting comments, BobbyJ's was very good, but I can't go along with this day in comparison to his other examples of amendments...<br>I still wonder why we bother to vote, if they do what they "think" is Constitutional...oh yeah, if it were a majority vote, Al Gore would have beenPresident!<img src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" alt="image"><br><br>I challenge Chugger68 to find his own planet to live on, I'm staying here...<img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/ohwell.gif" alt="image"><br><br><br><br><br><img src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" alt="image"><br>

I love the argument that people know a gay couple that are nice and well mannered-I do to. I have seen interviews with many serial killers that seemed nice andwell mannered. Now I am not comparing the two, but I am saying being nice and well mannered does not mean I have to agree with one's lifestyle. I don'thave a problem with anyone who does not have a direct affect on me or my loved ones, but I hate it when one states they have a problem with something based onmorality, there is always another that wants to call them closed minded. Having an opinion based on a moral compass is just that. It does not mean you areclosed minded. That is just an easy cop out to lump everyone you don't agree with in a group and call them closed minded. To me, it is the same as takingyour ball and going home.

Yeah, the one where you are passed out with your hands between your legs!!<br><br>Later, Dave

You'd miss me! All that kind of stuff would be gone!<br><br><br><br><br><br><img src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" alt="image"><br>

An example of Moral and Social Decay,<br><br>Mom and Dad both have to work and there is no one at home and even when one is and they spank there kid they get the I don't think so You can't spankyour kid....<br><br>Now we have <strong>More</strong> kids doing things they should not be doing than we would if lets say one could stay home or if one could give there kid thebelt every now and then. By not having the proper upbringing we now have kids in Huntington Beach that stab an off duty police officer because he tried to stopthem from marking graffiti on the side of a store because the school sent him home cuz he was late for school. Yes it's also because some people thatshould not have kids are but there are other wise good kids out there that have gone bad cuz there not getting the moral up bringing they should be getting.<br><br> I have no idea what the outcome will be because some people want or think it's ok for gay people to get married, If I had kids I would not want them tosee a gay people living next door or would I want my kid to have a friend at school that had gay parents. It's a sad sad sad day for us as a society tohave allowed this to happen and for some of us to even think it's ok is a shame.<br><br> If I had neighbors that were gay I would not shout out to them I don't like gay people go away, but I would not want to help them, lets say work on therecar or find a missing little furry pet.<img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/sick.gif" alt="image"><br><br> I don't remember anyone taking a gun to school in the 1980's and shooting everyone but back then most kids would have got there back side Rosy red ifthey even thought about looking at there dad's gun let alone touching it without him there.

Yes, I know... we can use our "opinions based on a moral compass" as an excuse to justify all kinds of intolerance and hatred.<br><br>Don't try to pass off narrow-mindedness as an "opinion". Hitler had an "opinion based on a moral compass" too.<br><br>Sheesh... why am I even doing this?

<blockquote> Don't try to pass off narrow-mindedness as an "opinion". Hitler had an "opinion based on a moral compass" too.</blockquote>He did? What was his moral compass, killing millions of innocent Jews and Christians?<br><br>What would have happened if we ignored his opinion?<br><br><br><br><img src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_freak.gif" alt="image"><br>

Hi all ....<br><br>DeputyRob said:<br><br><blockquote> "i have no problem with gays...none at all. just don't want their way of life shoved in my face because i don't agree with it, but i can be tolerant of it. "</blockquote><p>Now, I don't mean to pick on you here Rob, I'm really not...<br>but your words really capture the hypocrisy expressed so often in the<br>"anti-gay marrige" rhetoric. Why should people whose sexual orientation<br>is other than the majority <em><strong>have the majority's views shoved in <u>their</u> face?<br></strong></em>Let alone barring the minority from rights enjoyed by the majority.<br>If that's not unAmerican, I don't know what is.<br><br>Jono also reminded us of an important fact; that majority rule does not<br>necessarily apply to representation or legal interpretation of the Constitution.<br>That's why this is becoming legal. It is in fact discrimination to<br>barr people who are law abiding, tax paying citizens from<br>the same rights as the rest of us, based on gender, age,<br>race, religion, or in this case, their sexual orientation.<br><br>Sexual orientation is just another way to identify a minority group,<br>which in this case, <strong>is made up of people from every other group too!</strong><br>There are young gay people, old gay people, white, black, brown, yellow gay people.<br>Christian, Jewish, etc, and atheist gay people.<br>Skinny gay people, fat gay people, male and female gay people.<br>Smokers and non-smoker gay people.<br><br>Each group, if "straight"<br>(a loaded, prejudicial term that implies "crooked" to those who are not "straight")<br>can not be singled out for legal discrimination under any other circumstances,<br>so why should their sexual orientation be any different?<br>It shouldn't. And lawmakers are beginning to realize it. Finally.<br>It just takes a lot to break through all the prejudice, homophobia,<br>and religious objections - which I of all people won't comment further on here. <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/laugh.gif" alt="image"><br><br>Immature people who don't know me might be tempted to counter me<br>by accusing me of being gay myself.<br>You have NO idea how often I hear that as a comeback to heterosexual people<br>who stand up for gay rights.<br>It makes me think we're all back in 5th grade.<br><br>And about the flamers ... the over the top Queen types ...<br>they are no more or less offensive than the over the top straight guys who<br>hang out their car and truck windows, hooting and hollering at every<br>halfway good looking woman in sight, shirts open to their (beer) belly buttons,<br>and reeking of cheap aftershave. Know the types?<br>There are way more of them than there are of flaming gay guys or power lesbians...<br>should they not be allowed to marry? (Or reproduce? LOL)<br><br>Point made, bravo California.<br>-Massachusetts Greg<br></p>

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">groggerbug wrote:</strong> <hr> Yes, I know... we can use our "opinions based on a moral compass" as an excuse to justify all kinds of intolerance and hatred. <br><br> Don't try to pass off narrow-mindedness as an "opinion". Hitler had an "opinion based on a moral compass" too. <br><br> Sheesh... why am I even doing this?</blockquote><p> Hitler had an opinion based on morals? Are you serious? And where did I say hatred? I don't hate people, but I can disagree with them--very bigdifference.<br></p><br>I never said where I stand on this, but what I did say is not to bash people for having an opinion based on their sense of morality.<br><br>It seems to me that you are real tolerant of people.........as long as they have your exact views and agree with you completely. I would much rather bethought of as narrow minded than hypocritical.<br><br>One other thing, there has been alot of talk about the poor minority group represented here being bashed by the majority. There are many more important trueminority groups (race, sex, etc) that one could spend their time and energy defending and fighting for than the right to marry and sleep with who you want!<br><br>Since when should we consider sexual preference a factor in determining a minority group? Let's call toy collectors a minority group so we can get thespecial rights afforded them!<img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/roll.gif" alt="image">