How small we are

Cool pics. As far as the rest.......I don't care.

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If you take probability and add a dose of "Murphy's law" you get maybe, which is the same as saying.........IF (The biggest word in the Englishlanguage) So it ALL comes down to belief.......OR......... not.

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">CHEVY57 wrote:</strong> <hr> If you take probability and add a dose of "Murphy's law" you get maybe, which is the same as saying.........IF (The biggest word in the English language) So it ALL comes down to belief.......OR......... not.</blockquote><em><strong>NO IT DOES NOT.<br></strong></em> Pete, really and truly, you <em>need</em> to understand this!<br>Probability is <u><strong>not</strong></u> the same as "maybe" or "Murphy's law"<br>(which is a concept we invented based on perception)<br>and it most certainly goes WAY beyond "if". <br><br>For example:<br><strong>IF</strong> elephants can fly, and they live in Manhattan, then New Yorkers should always bring an umbrella to work. <img src="http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif"><br>THAT is a pretty big "if", those flying elephants.<br><br>But what is the <em><strong>PROBABILITY</strong></em> of a flying elephant in New York city or anywhere else, based on all the observable, testable facts?<br>In the above example, the probability is calculated with known variables, known facts. It would be ZERO.<br>However, the probability of extra terrestrial intelligent life CAN NOT be zero because too many variables are unknown.<br>What IS know however is the abundance of other rocky planets orbiting other stable stars in this galaxy, these are facts by the way,<br>and then the presence of water in liquid state somewhere on or underneath the surface of such a body.<br>It doesn't have to be a planet, some moons, right here in our little solar system show strong indications of liquid water under their surfaces!<br><br>Given these facts (key word there Pete, facts, haven't said "if" yet) the probability of simple life becomes something you<br>can quantify with X number of planetary bodies with water over an area of X star systems / galaxies.<br>It's at THAT point that your "if" comes into play, but it's plugging an "if" into a known set of variables, a factual set andsubset of real places,<br>and THAT is what sets it apart from the subject you and others keep bringing up and comparing this to.<br>(That which you called "a crock"). THAT is why it is not.<br><br><br>

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ahhhhhh, but IF you had an umbrella in NY, the probability of it helping you in the case of falling Elephants would also be Zero.......<img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/roll.gif" alt="image"><br><br>FYI, I believe that there are way to many planets, moons etc in the universe for one or more of them would have to support life. Notice I said believe. Becausewithout ANY proof, that's ALL we have.................

Proof only extends to our current knowledge Pete, as we evolve and plug in more and more sophisticated technology, we will find you your proof and hopefully wewill all be around to see it!!!!

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<img src="http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif"> Falling elephants? Yep, I suppose they'd die mid-flight or fall dead off their perches and out of their nests! <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/tongue.gif" alt="image"><br>Yikes, I agree, zero chance your umbrella will help in that case... I was talking about droppings from flying pachyderms!<br><img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/roll.gif" alt="image"><br>To answer this:<br>"FYI, I believe that there are way to many planets, moons etc in the universe for one or more of them would have to support life."<br>I'd have to fully understand what you mean. Could you rephrase that please?<br><br>"without ANY proof, that's ALL we have................. "<br><br>But Pete, we DO have one proof of life elvolving naturally on a planetary body; the Earth!<br>We are not separate and apart from the universe, we're a naturally occurring part of it.<br>It happened here, the question is, can / has /will it happen elsewhere?<br>The search for an answer to that question is, in this thread, being explored by using the only factual, testable known variables we have.<br>The rest is all of that "if" we keep hearing about, but it doens't require "belief" one way or another.<br>There either is, or there is not life elsewhere. We have no definitive knownledge of any life elsewhere,<br>but the liklihood of such life existing can be quantified using what we DO know.<br>That's what's going on here, nothing more, nothing less.<br><br>Also, how one defines "intelligent life" may or may or include (or exclude) more than once species on this planet as being "intelligent".<br><img src="http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif"><br>The point is, since we know it <em><strong>did</strong></em> happen here, and largely understand <strong><em>how</em></strong> it happened here, what's tomake the set of variables that<br>were at work on Earth over the past 4.6 billion years so unique as to exclude the probability of it happening similarly elsewhere,<br>somewhere, somwhen, in this vast universe? <br>

<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">99octane wrote:</strong> <br> To answer this: <br> "FYI, I believe that there are way to many planets, moons etc in the universe for one or more of them would have to support life." <br> I'd have to fully understand what you mean. Could you rephrase that please? <br><br></blockquote>I'm saying that I too BELIEVE in life somewhere else. There HAS to be.. The universe is just tooo large for there not to be. Again I sayBelieve, because that's all we have until there (if there ever is any) proof.<br>