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R.I.P., Grasshopper........<img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/tired.gif" alt="image"><br><br><a target="_blank" href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_thailand_david_carradine">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_thailand_david_carradine</a>
Carradine, 73, was working on a new film in Thailand. Initial reports suggested suicide but Carradine's agent confirmed to Bangkok's WABC network thathe believed Carradine had died of natural causes.
<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">chickluu wrote:</strong> <hr> Carradine, 73, was working on a new film in Thailand. Initial reports suggested suicide but <strong>Carradine's agent confirmed to Bangkok's WABC network that he believed Carradine had died of natural causes.</strong></blockquote><strong>More typical Hollywood <img src="http://www.dodgetalk.com/forums/images/smilies/gr_bs.gif" width="35" height="30" alt="image">bull$hit,<img src="http://www.dodgetalk.com/forums/images/smilies/gr_bs.gif" width="35" height="30" alt="image"> but even the local L.A. news isreporting it as a suicide, (just watched it on the local L.A. FOX channel) guess we'll all have to wait for the real truth, which willl eventually comeout.......<img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/eyes.gif" alt="image"><br></strong><br>
<blockquote> A news report said he was found hanged in his <span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1244126341_1">hotel room</span> and was believed to have <span class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1244126341_2">committed suicide</span>... <br> It said a preliminary <span style="background: transparent none repeat scroll 0% 0%; cursor: pointer; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;" class="yshortcuts" id="lw_1244126341_4">police investigation</span> found that he had hanged himself with a cord used with the room's curtains. It cited police as saying he had been dead at least 12 hours and there was no sign that he had been assaulted.</blockquote><blockquote> Carradine, 73, was working on a new film in Thailand. Initial reports suggested suicide but Carradine's agent confirmed to Bangkok's WABC network that he believed Carradine had died of natural causes.</blockquote><br><font style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);" size="4">Two completely different reports. I wonder which one is correct. I would hope he didn't hang himself.We've lost a great actor. <img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/frown.gif" alt="image"><br><br><br>~Karen</font><br><br>
I just heard he was hanging in his closet. But then again, it's like a race in the news business to get the story out first<img src="http://www.dodgetalk.com/forums/images/smilies/gr_bs.gif" alt="image"><br>
...Despite the status of the news reports, it sure is a sad thing. He was an interesting actor and man and went too soon.
In the media blitz to have the story out, I've also noticed that they can't even get his age right.<br>Some reports 72, some 73.<br>The great race continues on to be the first with the "news"<img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/sick.gif" alt="image"><br>
Suicide is the chickens way out.<br><br>What could've been so bad in his life that he had to do that? Unless he had emotional problems I have no sympathy for him.<br><br>Prayers go out to his family who he left behind...................
No sympathy for him "unless he had emotional problems"? WTF do you think he did it because it felt good? What an ass..................HJ
<img height="15" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" width="15" alt="image">Maybe he was suffering from some'undisclosed' incurable and terminal condition or disease and just decided to end it instead of enduring a slow lingering and/or agonizing and painfulldeath! We'll likely soon find out!<br><p>Andy<img height="15" src="http://redlinesonlinemessageboard.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/pacman.gif" width="15" alt="image"><br></p>
<blockquote> No sympathy for him "unless he had emotional problems"? WTF do you think he did it because it felt good? What an ass..................HJ </blockquote>You just looking for something to pick on Pete for, HJ? People commit suicide for a variety of reasons (financial, marital, family, job, high on drugs, strung out on drugs, etc...) and while they all have "emotional" problems of some type to drive them to that point, I believe that Pete was referring more to actual medical "mental" problems rather than that the person merely had a bad day. Geez, cut the guy a break... <br><br> Doug <br>
<p>Andy (Bluewagon), I had the exact same thought.<br>It's very sad when we lose someone we enjoyed,<br>and I for one will have sympathy for him and his loved ones and fans<br>no matter what actually caused his death.<br><br>And I have to say to Chevy57, your comment struck me the same way it struck HJ.<br>I might not have chosen to call you out on it, but since you put it out there and it's been<br>responded to already, look at exactly what you typed:<br><br>"Suicide is the chickens way out.<br>What could've been so bad in his life that he had to do that?<br>Unless he had emotional problems I have no sympathy for him.<br>Prayers go out to his family who he left behind................... "<br><br>So unless he was mentally ill, you have no sympathy for him?<br>Isn't mental illness just as real and as serious an illness as any physical malady?<br>So mental illness ("emotional issues") will explain a suicide in your eyes,<br>but (for example) a terminal cancer diagnosis gets no sympathy from you?<br><br>I can think of SO many circumstances that, at the very least,<br>mitigate (if not justify) a person's reasons for choosing suicide,<br>how can you hold such an absolutist view?<br>Black / white, right / wrong ? Sorry, but there are shades of grey in everything.<br><br>I truly hope, perhaps for my own selfish reasons, that if it was indeed a suicide,<br>his mind was clear and this was truly what he felt he needed to do,<br>perhaps as Bluewagon said to avoid a bleak medical situation.<br><br>I don't mean to go on and on here but please remember I spent 20 years of my life<br>watching my Grandfather, and then my Mother, slowly die in hospital beds in my living room.<br>I've had MORE than ample time to contemplate what I would do if I were in that position.<br>At least, I think I know what I would do.<br>But until you are, until you <em>actually are</em> in that position, you really can't know.<br>Sympathy? You bet he has my sympathy.<br><br>What would have made me post as you did Chevy57?<br>If he'd committed an act of this magnitide against someone <em><strong>else.<br></strong></em>Greg<br><br><br></p>
I've contemplated suicide many times in my life. Believe me, if it were the "chicken's way out" I wouldn't be here...
<blockquote> I might not have chosen to call you out on it</blockquote>Greg, he easily could have been called out on it (which given the way it was written could be understandable), but he was flat out called an ass. There's been many times that I've seen people post things that made me think the same thing about them (like not crossing the street to pee on someonewho was on fire), but I've never felt it belonged here. John could've very easily made his point - much as you did - without resorting the the namecalling. <br><br><blockquote> Sorry, but there are shades of grey in everything.</blockquote>Yep, just as there are in Pete's post. Next time he needs to list exactly what constitutes an acceptable reason for taking one's ownlife. Frankly, to give him the benefit of the doubt, I <span style="font-style: italic;">chose</span> not to read Pete's post the way you and John did. Even I said "medical mental" problems in my response to HJ when I have no problem with someone ending their life on their terms for any number ofvarious reasons. I don't necessarily agree with it, and wouldn't do it myself, but understand their position. I think you and John are just assumingwhat he meant - which is fine - but your way of "calling him out" is the far more civil of the two. My issue was the ass crack (yeah, punintended...)<br><br>I should note that, noticing Greg's post, my brother has threatened suicide any number of times himself. While I do take the threats seriously, it wouldtotally surprise me if he ever did do it as, like Greg says, he's too much of a chicken to do it. OK, no one jump on me for insinuating that you have tobe "brave" to commit suicide - I'm not. It's just not in my brother's "make-up" to be able to do it.<br><br>Doug<br><br>BTW - not forgetting the reason for the post, I too was very saddened to hear of Carradine's death (no matter the cause). I always enjoyed his characters- Kung Fu was one of the must see shows for all the neighborhood kids back in the 70's (an then we'd proceed to go out and do our own kung fu on eachother). RIP<br>
HJ,<br>Did you ever think that maybe I know someone that commited suicide? I can feel what I want. and I would call you some names but I'll be bigger than you.<br>P.S. that nice nice talk coming from a mod.
Doug,<br>Thanks you get it.<br>There are many reasons to commit suicide but, really there are NO reasons. There is help for everyone that needs or wants it. The only people that don'tget the help are the ones that don't know they have a problem or don't want help at all.
Pete, I apologize for the ass remark .......Just because I thought it I didn't need to say it.......I made the post then thought about editing it out thenthe phone rang..........After that Doug made a post quoting me so it was useless to edit it out......HJ
Cool Jack, been down that road a time or two!! I've always shared in the saying that "suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem". InGregs case with his family? Different situation I'm sure and he went through hell with it..... Carradine? I dunno, there is some talk going n now of hisdeath being due to an accidental hanging while he was involved in self strangulation while...... Uhhhh...... Well, you know.<br><br>Who knows? But...... This is another touchy subject on LBR and that's what we do here, discuss.........
All right, HJ apologized, Pete - you cool with that?<br>Everyone carry on now with the original discussion.
<p>Kung Fu TV legend David Carradine was found hanged inside a wardrobe in his hotel bedroom yesterday.</p><p>A maid discovered the 72-year-old with a curtain cord around his neck in what looked to be a sex game gone wrong.</p><p>The star, who rose to fame as "Grasshopper" Kwai Chang Caine in the hit 70s series, was in Thailand to film latest movie Stretch.</p><p>He failed to turn up for a cast meal on Wednesday night. They called his room but when he did not reply they assumed he was resting.</p><p>The dad-of-four was found the next morning in his £500-a- night suite at the Nai Lert Park hotel in Bangkok. It is next to a ***** shrine where offerings ofphallus sculptures are made.</p><p>Police said Carradine, who also starred as Bill in Quentin Tarantino's Kill Bill films, had been dead for at least 12 hours. There was no sign of afight or a suicide note. Police refused to rule out a sex game had caused his death. One officer said: "A cord was attached to his neck and genitals. Wedon't think anybody else was involved."</p>
I feel sorry for David and his family and friends. He was a source of entertainment for myself, my parents and my child and my friends for many, many years. Heleft way too early, no matter what way he went.<br><br>I also disagree about saying there is help for everyone...<br><br>sometimes things get so bad and go way south and this stuff happens way before help can arrive...<br><br>Who knows what was in his head when this tragic event happened? <br><br>Only him...<br><br>And David...<br><br>Please..."Rest in Peace."<br><br><img height="20" src="http://www.ezboard.com/image/posticons/pi_hippie.gif" width="20" alt="image"><p><br></p>
Steve,<br>I am cool with it. I can dish it out & take it. If I wasn't would it matter anyway? I've been banned for less than that.<br><br>My cousin Jimmy killed himself years ago. We we best friends growing up & even though he obviously thought he had reason too, there was NO reason to. Thereis always a way out.<br>So Greg, you can get all book smart on me & quote you usual facts & HJ, you can call me an ass but I spoke from my heart.
"So Greg, you can get all book smart on me & quote you usual facts & HJ, you can call me an ass but I spoke from my heart."<br><br>Gee, sorry to back up my positions with facts,<br>because of course, I have no emotions at all, right?<br><img src="http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif"><br><br>
<strong>Yow, David's death keeps getting stranger, i also just heard the same thing about the auto-erotica gone wrong angle, jeeze..........<br><br>I too, had a good friend who committed suicide, she was only 16 years old.........<br><br>Lara will have been gone 34 years this coming November 5th, and i still think about her from time to time. I also still wonder why she did it, all because herParents had grounded her for a week, and she had threatened to kill herself if they didn't lift it........<br><br>Sadly, and needlessly, she followed thru with it.........<img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/tired.gif" alt="image"></strong>
<blockquote> <strong class="quote-title">redlinejohnny6872 wrote:</strong> <hr><strong>I too, had a good friend who committed suicide, she was only 16 years old......... <br><br> Lara will have been gone 34 years this coming November 5th, and i still think about her from time to time. I also still wonder why she did it, all because her Parents had grounded her for a week, and she had threatened to kill herself if they didn't lift it........ <br><br> Sadly, and needlessly, she followed thru with it.........<img src="http://static.yuku.com//domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/tired.gif" alt="image"></strong></blockquote><br><font size="3">Now that is an all around tragedy, the poor girl, but even worse the poor remaining parents. I can't think of too many things worse thanthat to have to cope with.<br><br><br>Mark</font><br>
I heard on the news (CNN) that his hands were tied up and he had a cloth stuffed (gagged) in his mouth. That to me seems unlikely a suicide. So there may havebeen some 'foul play' regarding his death<br><br>I also heard that he was extremely depressed. That could well equate to the mental illness part of this tragedy<br><br>I work as a Nurse for the developmentally disabled (State of NJ, Department of Human Services-New Lisbon Developmental Center). If an individual has suicidalideations, it is taken very seriously. They are placed on 1:1 supervision and have immediate psychiatric and psychologic evaluations performed. These ideationsoccur mostly from medication-type reactions. Psychotropic medications have nasty side effects...they are known as EPS (Extrapyramidial symptoms)<br><br>_______________________________________________________<br><h2><span class="mw-headline">Extrapyramidal symptoms</span></h2><p>The extrapyramidal system can be affected in a number of ways, which are revealed in a range of extrapyramidal symptoms such as <a target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akinesia" title="Akinesia">akinesia</a> (inability to initiate movement) and <a target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akathisia" title="Akathisia">akathisia</a> (inability to remain motionless).</p><p>Extrapyramidal <a target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adverse_effect_%28medicine%29" title="Adverse effect (medicine)" class="mw-redirect">symptoms</a> (EPS)are the various <a target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_disorder" title="Movement disorder">movement disorders</a> such as <a target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardive_dyskinesia" title="Tardive dyskinesia">tardive dyskinesia</a> suffered as a result of taking <a target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopamine_antagonist" title="Dopamine antagonist">dopamine antagonists</a>, usually <a target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipsychotic" title="Antipsychotic">antipsychotic</a> (neuroleptic) <a target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medication" title="Medication" class="mw-redirect">drugs</a>, which are often used to control <a target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosis" title="Psychosis">psychosis</a>,The most common antipsychotic associated with EPS is haloperidol used especially in <a target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia" title="Schizophrenia">schizophrenia</a>. Other <a target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antidopaminergic" title="Antidopaminergic" class="mw-redirect">antidopaminergic</a> drugs like the <a target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiemetic" title="Antiemetic">antiemetic</a> <a target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metoclopramide" title="Metoclopramide">metoclopramide</a> or the <a target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tricyclic_antidepressant" title="Tricyclic antidepressant">tricyclic antidepressant</a> <a target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amoxapine" title="Amoxapine">amoxapine</a> can also causeextrapyramidal side effects.</p><p>__________________________________________________</p><p>Psychotropic meications combined with narcotic medications often brings on depression<br></p><p>I have gone beyond my role as a Nurse with my individuals. Some individuals have come to me with depressed, suicidal ideations. I bring them into myNurse's station and do one on one's with them. I spend whatever time is necessary talking 'out' their thoughts. Most of the time, they justneed love and caring-something that is difficult for them to find in a population of schizophrenics, bi-polars, mania, autism, OCD, etc. Fundamentals ofNursing 101 is 'love and caring', and I subscribe to that 100%. It is very rewarding for me when I go to work and have many, many individuals runningup to me to get their hugs. And I hug all of them-for they are human beings just like you and me that need that loving and caring. Unfortunately, I am anexterme minority as most of my peers are there just to perform a task as a job. </p><p>I find myself constantly thinking about that song 'What the world needs now-is love sweet love...that's the only thing that there's just toolittle of'.<br></p><p>All of that said, my prayers and thoughts are with the Carradine's.</p><p>Allan<br></p>
Allan,<br>Even though we've known each other for a few years, I never knew your profession. Your post just brought a smile to my face and warmth in my heart becauseyou are exactly the same person when you are with your fellow redliners as you are when you are with your patients. <br><br>You are a good man, my friend.<br><br>Bob Jordan
<font color="#003399">Hmm, I just heard that his genitals were also tied.... Can't have fun w/ yourself if your hands are bound behind your back which isanother story that I read..... Makes me wonder if there is a coverup with so many different versions. Anyway, that's an awful way to go. <br><br><br>maribell</font>
There is much more to the story.<br><br>Looks like foul play and not suicide.<br><br>His hands were bound behind his back...a man with mental illness can't do that himself...can he?<br><br>Oh, to be a fly on that wall.<br><br><br>
<blockquote> WTF do you think he did it because it felt good?</blockquote><font style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);" size="4">Well if it turns out to be an accident due to auto-erotica then yes, he did it because it felt goodbut obviously the outcome was supposed to be much much different. Very sad if that is what happened and not to sound horrible or morbid but if that is whathappened chances are, he died...well... happy.<br><br><br>~Karen</font><br><br><br>
Interesting. I was just looking at the evening's TV shows and came across this for the new show "Mental" on FOX:<br><br>"A famous author-professor (David Carradine) and his wife are struck by lightning. She is killed; he is catatonic. Jack tries to bring the author back toreality using a risky, unorthodox treatment. Meanwhile, the attraction between Jack and the patient's daughter (Estella Warren) adds another wrinkle to thecase."<br><br>I've seen the first couple and will probably watch this "just 'cause."<br><br>Jeff
<strong>It was probably just a new episode of Hung Foo gone bad. That's all.</strong> <strong>Poor Fella. He was good in Cannonball.</strong>