Another perfect game?

<p>Talk about blowin a call. Jim Joyce cost Armando Galarraga a perfect game against of course my hapless Tribe. Two outs in the ninth &amp; grounder to second. play made runner out by a clear half step. How do make that call????????<br> </p>

What a load of crap!.........The same Ump who was at first base is going to be behind home plate tomorrow....HJ

Perfect example for instant replay for baseball. <br><br>The pitcher was robbed.<br><br> ESPN interviewed the ump and he admits he blew the call. <br><br>I say then give it to him!!!<br>

I agree! HJ

It's baseball...............................................gawd.

It is all about the ump,and the power to control the game.It is hard to watch anymore.

Damn that was a brutal call. And now Griffey JR retires and it's an afterthought.

The Umps this year, sure seem like they aren't up to par. In the last several weeks, I can't believe the BS they are rolling out.<br><br>
Hey Dave, stop peeing the pool! Don't you have an appointment with the SpeedoFansUnite.com?

I was rooting for Galarraga too, against my hapless Tribe. Picked my jaw up off the floor after the call. Even the local game announcers were in shock.

Dude totally got burned............

At least the ump was very cool about it, readily admitted he blew the call, and sounded pretty sincere in saying that he felt bad for stealing the guy's perfect game. Galarraga was pretty cool, too, in saying "everybody makes mistakes". My sister's husband umps in college games, and it's apparently much harder than it appears when you don't have the benefit of slo-mo replay, and everything happens within split seconds. But I'm a traditionalist when it comes to baseball, and I'm against using the replay. Sometimes the calls go your way, and sometimes not - it all evens out in the end, and it's the nature of the game.

Yep, lots of class shown afterward from the umpire, pitcher and Jim Leyland.

<font color="#006666">Too many people hide behind the word tradionalist.....don't make changes is what they say. I say that this is bull$%^^! Well today's baseball is not exactly in the same tradition as the first baseball games. Players wear safety equipment . They wear uniforms that can breathe in the heat and not 100% wool like the original uniforms. There are numbers on the uniforms. They have lights for night games and overcast days. They use batting gloves for comfort and grip. They have sliding gloves..Today's catchers look like hockey goalee due to all of the safety equipment. If these changes were made than the next logical change is instant replay. I say bring it on and all you "tradionalists " shut up. Today's baseball is NOT the traditonal baseball from years past. Bring instant replay starting in 2011. And in the meantime, start a new category ALMOST A PERFECT GAME * and add Mr. Galarraga's name to it. Finally, Mr. Joyce should visit an eye doctor if he hasn't done so in 2010....<br><br><br>maribell<br><br><br></font>

Geez, Maribell...

Sorry, but it's pretty DUMB to not use instant replay for something like that. And I mean DUMB. Selig is poor excuse for the head of MLB. That kid will not get another shot at history again, and for what? Oh that's right, some "dude" blew it. The entire world knew it, but not that "dude." That's totally fair. Playball! <br>
Enough with the goodguy crap too, he should poked the Umps eye out. He doesn't use it anyway. There's no sorry in baseball either. What's next, group hugs? A rousing rendition of KumBiyah? (End sarcasm for those who don't know when it's been employed)<br><br>
Dave might right at this point, I take back my pool reference. Go Lakers.

I say change the rules retroactive to yesterday!!! Overturn that call now because it is so obvious. Who cares about the ump being a good guy. He blew it. He admitted he blew it. <br>I think Selig should grow a pair and to 'heck' with the traditionalists and their attitude. Change the call to the right call. <br>This pitcher will probably never do that again and for the good of the game...CHANGE THE RULES NOW!<br><br>This kinda crap should not happen in this day and age. <br>NOTHING IS SACRED ANYMORE! For heavens sake, the home run all time record is valid and everyone in the world knows he cheated. McGwire~Sosa~Bonds and too many others to name, cheated the system and all of the fans out of almost untouchable records.<br><br>Selig should make the change now and let's move on. Baseball already has replay for home runs and foul line calls.<br><br>Come on everyone...give this kid a break and the PERFECT GAME HE PITCHED!<br><br>

I think this is actually a blessing in disguise for that pitcher. Sure he won't be in the record books, but I think he'll get more mileage out of being the 'guy who pitched the perfect game to 28 batters' than he would've if the right call were made and he was the guy who pitched a perfect game right on the heels of the cat that just did it a few days ago.

Since I'm the one always reminding "they're only toy cars" I'd also like to remind here that "it's only a game".<br><br>
I'd also like to remind, for all of you saying "the Ump made the wrong call" that you're incorrect. By the rules of the game that were in force yesterday, the Ump's call is ALWAYS the right call, period, except for plays at home plate that are reviewable. By current rules, that's the nature of the game.<br><br>
Some keep using the word "traditionalist" - and while I love baseball's traditions, I would not call myself a "traditionalist" at all. But I do think that blown calls, blown plays, etc., are a lot of what makes baseball so interesting. I hope it never becomes completely sanitized just for the sake of "correctness".<br><br>
And it's not that I'm against change, either. But I don't think, given the overall performance of the officiators, that this one bad call means you need to change the rules of the game. It's unfortunate, but that's sport.<br><br>
As usual, the minority opinion here, but so be it.

Greg..........:)

<blockquote><strong class="quote-title">groggerbug wrote:</strong>
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Since I'm the one always reminding "they're only toy cars" I'd also like to remind here that "it's only a game".<br> </blockquote>If its only a game, Why do people like A-Rod make millions of dollars a year? A game is for fun not money. Sounds like its not just a game anymore.<br><br>On a different note, That call was bull and needs to be overturned. This is the perfect example for all of the people who support the idea that Baseball needs instant replay.

My .02, would it have changed the outcome of the actual game?<br>
If not....why the stink? Its just a statistic, and not the one that matters.

<blockquote><strong class="quote-title">adamsredlines wrote:</strong>
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Its just a statistic, and not the one that matters.</blockquote>KA-POW we have a winner!<br>This one from ex-football coach Herm Edwards " You play to win the game"<br>Many calls are as bad or worse, but BOY the timing on this one. WHEW !!!<br><br>

Yah, that's great, but making history is fun too.

Some excellent discussions of the subject, from the NY Times...<br><br><a target="_blank" href="http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/03/should-a-bad-call-change-baseball/?hp">should a bad call change baseball?</a>

realize the Mariners game ended on a bad call the same night one which could have affected the outcome. I think replay should probably be introduced but needs to be done at the start of a season not as a reaction to a bad call.

<blockquote><strong class="quote-title">adamsredlines wrote:</strong>
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My .02, would it have changed the outcome of the actual game?<br>If not....why the stink? Its just a statistic, and not the one that matters.</blockquote>I'd say baseball is the one sport where the statistic one would typically think would be most important is actually secondary. The two home run leaders? One World Series title. Remember 1998, McGwire vs. Sosa? Neither team was going anywhere. Or Ripken's iron man pursuit. The Orioles weren't good that year. Nolan Ryan? 7 No-Hitters, a ton of strikeouts and an almost .500 winning percentage. The list goes on.<br><br>Baseball is HR's, ERA's, RBI's, slugging %, no-hitters, right handed batting average versus lefties, how does this dude perfom with 2 men on base, etc. It's ALL about the stats. <br><br>

I love Baseball, it's the greastest team sport,in the world. But, ump blew the call! Selig, is not a good commisioner! Joyce, said he blew. Should the call be changed, Yes! But, no rules in place for this, yet. Maribell is right, on one thing, game needs to change, on replays. But you change this call, than you have to change all of the close calls. People will say, it will make the game longer than it is already. Freak them! When you pay, the most for any ticket in baseball, the New York teams. For there prices, i want to stay as long as i can.

<blockquote><strong class="quote-title">chrish284 wrote:</strong><hr>The Umps this year, sure seem like they aren't up to par. In the last several weeks, I can't believe the BS they are rolling out.<br><br>
Hey Dave, stop peeing the pool! Don't you have an appointment with the SpeedoFansUnite.com?</blockquote><br>You're slipping Chris back to comedy class for you, work on another "Lenscrafters" jewel!!!! YEEAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!! Baseball..... It's FAN....tas..boring......

Dave, just cuz you got off the ashtray blast, doesn't mean your quittin' your day job and moving to Hollywood. You keep clickin' pictures of show ponies and I'll keep blasting rocks and we'll be just fine. You did just use this phrase after all, "It's FAN....tas..boring".

Just want to say... after all that's been said here, and after talking to a lot of folks, and reading about it... I've changed my mind. It would still be my personal preference to not have instant replay, but it looks like there are many great reasons, and popular opinion is overwhelmingly for it, so I'm okay with it with the following proviso's:<br><br>
1. The Ump's determine when it should be used, as in basketball - NOT the manager or players.<br>
2. Like football, the call by the Ump on the field is absolute UNLESS there's overwhelming, conclusive evidence to overturn it.<br>
3. The rule is changed between seasons (for obvious reasons)<br>
4. The call on Garallaga should NOT be reversed, otherwise it would open up a hornet's nest of players who had big plays negated by an ump's call wanting their calls to be reversed.<br><br>
And someone already pointed this out, but heard on the radio this morning: "Anybody heard of Roy Halladay? Or Dallas Braden? Me neither. But they both pitched perfect games, both this year! And they've already been forgotten... But Armando Garallaga will forever be remembered as the pitcher who ALMOST pitched a perfect game."

<blockquote>And someone already pointed this out, but heard on the radio this
morning: "Anybody heard of Roy Halladay? Or Dallas Braden? Me
neither. But they both pitched perfect games, both this year! And
they've already been forgotten... But Armando Garallaga will forever be
remembered as the pitcher who ALMOST pitched a perfect game."</blockquote><br><br>Are you kidding me? Any true baseball fan that follows the game has heard of these pitchers who threw no-hitters this season. Been forgotten? Please Greg...just because some people who watch baseball every now and then cannot remember their names, doesn't mean it is not important to the game and the history of baseball.<br><br>BTW...Armando Galarraga DID throw a perfect game in which he got 28 outs not 27 but it just won't be recorded that way because of a bunged, butchered call by the first base ump!!!<br><br>Enough said...<br>

That quote was what I heard on the radio, and doesn't necessarily reflect my opinion. I just thought it was an interesting point.<br><br>
And by the rules of the game in force when it was played, he did not pitch a perfect game. At least Garallaga was gracious in acknowledging that fact.

It was a BAD CALL, plain and simple. Only 20 people in the history of the game have pitched a perfect game, and this guy gets it taken away on a bad call. I think the call should be reversed since this is an occasion that just doesn't happen too often...<br><br><br>What about this scenario: What if the batter was clearly safe on that same play, and the ump called him out, giving the pitcher the perfect game. Then what?<img src="http://static.yuku.com/domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/ohwell.gif"><br><br>Just thinking out loud...<br>

Ummm.... is that a trick question? According to the rules of the game, then the pitcher would have had a perfect game. It's baseball; that's how it goes sometimes...

By the rules of the game...steroids were not allowed but all the records still stand...explain that Sir?<br>

Jeff, that's about players <em>cheating</em> on the rules, an entirely different, and much more murky, subject. The issue under discussion in this post is very clear-cut.

You win sir...<img src="http://static.yuku.com/domainskins/bypass/img/smileys/roll.gif"><br>

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I am a baseball fan. I do not like Bud Selig.<br><br>
Having said that, he did the right thing here. For once.<br><br>
The Commissioner of Baseball cannot overturn a call. Doing so sets a precedent. Now all calls can be overturned.<br><br>
It is clear that Galarraga pitched a perfect game. Despite the official result, he will always be known for that. He will be regarded and acknowledged as among the relative few who have done so.<br><br>
That's all that should matter to anyone who cares.